the US and many other countries invented a new way of counting deaths that had never been used before. specifically for covid, no causation was required. if you had covid in the last 28 days in the UK prior to death, you were a covid death. the US was even broader, removing the time limit, and not even requiring a positive covid test. the doctor was paid up to $60k more simply for the word covid being on the death certificate, and the word covid being on the death certificate was sufficient to count it as a covid death.
at no time in history has such a low standard been used in medicine, one where causation is presumed and financially incentivized. if we used the same standard for other issues, "diarrhea" and "dinner with the in-laws" would be top 10 causes of death.
One fairly common and sad thing to read in most old historical documents:
"Died of Dysentery"
Basically: poor bastard literally got sick and shit himself until he fucking died. There's a lot of horrible ways to go, but I'm putting that up there with untreated Rabies and Alzheimer's.
A few years ago, the CDC (yeah, I know yuck) estimated around 70% COVID deaths came from people who were overweight. So if you're a healthy person, your chances of dying from alpha COVID after infection is even lower than 0.1%.
It was also bad stats. America was constantly being compared to nations with fractions of its population yet the deaths were always in raw numbers instead of relative.
It was also the spotlight nation for "BADDIE BAD" so its deaths were being incredibly fluffed up to make it look worse than it was, while most of the comparison nations were likely doing the opposite to make it look like their method was working.
I mean, obviously you're going to compare by capita. 1 million dead in the US sounds like a lot, but per capita it's also more than in a country like Germany.
Interestingly, unless you are Sweden or the US, no one cares about your death rate. There are huge differences in death rates between other countries, and no one who cares to explain why.
Not only that, there was also the practice that Whitmer and Cumo engaged in of deliberately putting Covid patients into nursing homes. New York's death rate was astronomical compared to everyone, and no one could figure out why. Cuomo said that the hospitals were completely overwhelmed and over-flooded. That's when people began video-taping trips to hospitals. Empty hospitals and empty parking lots, all while the governor was saying that they were completely flooded and we needed whole additional field hospitals to house patients (hospitals that were never used).
Turns out that when he sent Covid patients into the nursing homes, the extremely old, low mobility, dementia ridden, heavily medicated, patients got sick from Covid and died. This is because, of course they would, they already have badly weakened immune systems. And even if they didn't and something else killed them, as Adamrises pointed out, fuck you we counted it as a Covid death anyway because obviously every single person in that nursing home has Covid due to there being no capacity for nursing homes to contain the most aggressively infectious disease on record.
Any idiot could have told Cuomo and his staff that putting vulnerable nursing home patients in with Covid patients would likely kill the nursing home residents because of their weakened state, and the nursing homes had literally no capacity to control an outbreak with a virus that infectious. Instead they rolled right on through and didn't think for one second about the consequences until it became obvious and they had to start covering it up.
Cuomo seems to be guilty of 50,000 counts of negligent homicide.
With OG COVID, the infections were clustered in hot-spots.
For a long while the great majority of infections and deaths were clustered in a few cities, with most of those coming from New York city.
I have a friend who was doing primary research on COVID 19, specifically transmission by surfaces, who was in contact with medical professionals in New York at the time.
He said that they were absolutely freaking out. There was a brief period (I recall less than a week) where the spike in deaths was apocalyptic. He told me that the medical professionals he had been talking with were predicting that they would be stacking bodies in the streets before the month was out.
At this time the FEMA pop up hospital was available, and the army hospital ship was on hand to take patients.
I distinctly remember pointing out to my scientist friend that the hospitals were seeing selection bias. Only the worst cases were arriving at hospital. I also pointed out that the survivors would be gaining immunity, and as soon as that reached 30% it would have an impact on transmission rates.
I recall us agreeing to disagree; with me stating that if I was right we would see a sharp drop in infections and deaths. If he was right it would be in the news soon enough.
It turns out that I was more correct; but it bears remembering that all the hospitals in New York were freaking out to the point of panic.
This the period when Cuomo was sending infected to nursing homes. He was determined not to use any of the help sent by Trump and the federal government.
i like how they completely ignore that trump was the only one that wanted to do anything about the virus initially and they just called him a waaaaaaycissss until they suddenly decided that the virus was actually a really big deal u guise
What the other user said, but also the fact that many people who died within a certain time frame of a positive COVID test were lumped into the numbers despite dying of other causes.
Slight, but younger people are also more likely to not be obese compared to older people. Metabolism slows down and all that. They're also more likely to die to anything. So that needs to be taken into account as well.
Statistically, it really makes little difference if you're technically obese or not. At least compared to many other much more important factors.
No because these are global numbers and the US ages are considerably older than the global average. Old people die at far, far higher rates, while younger people it's like 1 out of 10,000.
not even.
the US and many other countries invented a new way of counting deaths that had never been used before. specifically for covid, no causation was required. if you had covid in the last 28 days in the UK prior to death, you were a covid death. the US was even broader, removing the time limit, and not even requiring a positive covid test. the doctor was paid up to $60k more simply for the word covid being on the death certificate, and the word covid being on the death certificate was sufficient to count it as a covid death.
at no time in history has such a low standard been used in medicine, one where causation is presumed and financially incentivized. if we used the same standard for other issues, "diarrhea" and "dinner with the in-laws" would be top 10 causes of death.
Diarrhoea is pretty damn deadly. Shit can kill you, especially children.
under the same standard, "taking your children for a walk" would be a top 10 cause of death.
it's so ridiculous that it's clearly nefarious.
modern “academia” is mostly lying for the state
One fairly common and sad thing to read in most old historical documents:
"Died of Dysentery"
Basically: poor bastard literally got sick and shit himself until he fucking died. There's a lot of horrible ways to go, but I'm putting that up there with untreated Rabies and Alzheimer's.
A few years ago, the CDC (yeah, I know yuck) estimated around 70% COVID deaths came from people who were overweight. So if you're a healthy person, your chances of dying from alpha COVID after infection is even lower than 0.1%.
I've had people ask me why there were so many Covid deaths in the US. That was my hypothesis as well. Not "BAD REPUBLICANS".
It was also bad stats. America was constantly being compared to nations with fractions of its population yet the deaths were always in raw numbers instead of relative.
It was also the spotlight nation for "BADDIE BAD" so its deaths were being incredibly fluffed up to make it look worse than it was, while most of the comparison nations were likely doing the opposite to make it look like their method was working.
I mean, obviously you're going to compare by capita. 1 million dead in the US sounds like a lot, but per capita it's also more than in a country like Germany.
Interestingly, unless you are Sweden or the US, no one cares about your death rate. There are huge differences in death rates between other countries, and no one who cares to explain why.
Not only that, there was also the practice that Whitmer and Cumo engaged in of deliberately putting Covid patients into nursing homes. New York's death rate was astronomical compared to everyone, and no one could figure out why. Cuomo said that the hospitals were completely overwhelmed and over-flooded. That's when people began video-taping trips to hospitals. Empty hospitals and empty parking lots, all while the governor was saying that they were completely flooded and we needed whole additional field hospitals to house patients (hospitals that were never used).
Turns out that when he sent Covid patients into the nursing homes, the extremely old, low mobility, dementia ridden, heavily medicated, patients got sick from Covid and died. This is because, of course they would, they already have badly weakened immune systems. And even if they didn't and something else killed them, as Adamrises pointed out, fuck you we counted it as a Covid death anyway because obviously every single person in that nursing home has Covid due to there being no capacity for nursing homes to contain the most aggressively infectious disease on record.
Any idiot could have told Cuomo and his staff that putting vulnerable nursing home patients in with Covid patients would likely kill the nursing home residents because of their weakened state, and the nursing homes had literally no capacity to control an outbreak with a virus that infectious. Instead they rolled right on through and didn't think for one second about the consequences until it became obvious and they had to start covering it up.
Cuomo seems to be guilty of 50,000 counts of negligent homicide.
Whitmer seems to be guilty of around 15,000.
With OG COVID, the infections were clustered in hot-spots.
For a long while the great majority of infections and deaths were clustered in a few cities, with most of those coming from New York city.
I have a friend who was doing primary research on COVID 19, specifically transmission by surfaces, who was in contact with medical professionals in New York at the time.
He said that they were absolutely freaking out. There was a brief period (I recall less than a week) where the spike in deaths was apocalyptic. He told me that the medical professionals he had been talking with were predicting that they would be stacking bodies in the streets before the month was out.
At this time the FEMA pop up hospital was available, and the army hospital ship was on hand to take patients.
I distinctly remember pointing out to my scientist friend that the hospitals were seeing selection bias. Only the worst cases were arriving at hospital. I also pointed out that the survivors would be gaining immunity, and as soon as that reached 30% it would have an impact on transmission rates.
I recall us agreeing to disagree; with me stating that if I was right we would see a sharp drop in infections and deaths. If he was right it would be in the news soon enough.
It turns out that I was more correct; but it bears remembering that all the hospitals in New York were freaking out to the point of panic.
This the period when Cuomo was sending infected to nursing homes. He was determined not to use any of the help sent by Trump and the federal government.
i like how they completely ignore that trump was the only one that wanted to do anything about the virus initially and they just called him a waaaaaaycissss until they suddenly decided that the virus was actually a really big deal u guise
What the other user said, but also the fact that many people who died within a certain time frame of a positive COVID test were lumped into the numbers despite dying of other causes.
COVID killed George Floyd.
Apparently, I was off with the percentage and the context. It was 78% of COVID hospitalizations and/or deaths came from people who were overweight or obese, so there is a slight over-representation.
Slight, but younger people are also more likely to not be obese compared to older people. Metabolism slows down and all that. They're also more likely to die to anything. So that needs to be taken into account as well.
Statistically, it really makes little difference if you're technically obese or not. At least compared to many other much more important factors.
No because these are global numbers and the US ages are considerably older than the global average. Old people die at far, far higher rates, while younger people it's like 1 out of 10,000.