I follow soccer/football closely and I've seen a lot of accusations against famous soccer players fall apart -- in fact, most recent accusations against superstars have fallen apart (Neymar, Ronaldo, Mendy, etc.). I think I have a good understanding of the public-facing aspects of this case, so I'd like to share my perspective here.
Mason Greenwood was and is a phenomenal young striker, with world class potential, who is still contracted with Manchester United. He rose to media prominence quickly, and within half a year of being in the spotlight, was accused by his girlfriend Harriet Robson of coercive and controlling behaviour, multiple beatings, and multiple rapes.
Unlike most cases against footballers, Robson appeared to have audio and video evidence against Greenwood. Robson had secretly recorded minutes of audio footage of what sounded like Greenwood aggressively forcing himself on her despite her protests that she didn't want to have sex. Robson also posted public videos of what appeared to be semi-dried blood running from her mouth, down her chin, and the front of her throat.
As you can no doubt guess, Greenwood was absolutely excoriated by fans and media following the release of this alleged evidence. Virtually every member of the ultimate coalition for championing women's justice, the soccer subreddit, met this news and evidence with abject condemnation. Greenwood was charged by UK police following the outcry.
However, there are some issues with the case:
There is no video or audio evidence of Greenwood ever actually striking Robson;
There is no video or audio evidence of Greenwood ever actually having sex with Robson against her will, there are merely statements made by Greenwood that he will force her;
The "blood" in the videos looks fake as fuck;
The audio recordings could absolutely represent rough sexual roleplay (Greenwood's defense); and
Robson remains Greenwood's girlfriend and refuses to testify against him in court.
So based on that, and based on the incalculable number of incentives that women have to accuse famous, rich footballers of sex crimes, I thought skepticism was a healthy approach. Apparently, the absolute walnut brains that are European football fans refuse to learn their lessons, refuse to believe that this isn't some unprecedented miscarriage of justice and women's rights, and refuse to support presumption of innocence.
There is no video or audio evidence of Greenwood ever actually having sex with Robson against her will, there are merely statements made by Greenwood that he will force her;
I think that if the guy can prove that it was sexual roleplay, then sure, whatever. I don't think it should be a get out of jail free card if he cannot. It would be very easy for anyone to make that claim, without providing evidence, and get off scot-free.
Now that I learned to count past 3, point 5 is also legitimate. That said, a lot of folks stay with abusers, so while it definitely is a point in his favor, I wouldn't say it alone makes it open-and-shut.
I've had girlfriends who wanted similar treatment, so my kneejerk wasn't to judge it as darkly as I guess most others did. I also give the audio clips less credibility in the context of her fake blood videos.
On the surface, this stuff doesn't make Greenwood look good, but I err on the side of presuming innocence.
Foreign? What are you talking about? You're the American here.
She should have to prove its not roleplay.
That is stupid. You clearly don't understand the law, of any place, if you think that. Imagine if every rapist could get off by saying that it was 'roleplay'.
Yes obviously it's a foreign country hence me calling talking about you being foreign fucks.
In America in a criminal trial you have to affirmatively prove that the evidence is what you claim it is through authentication. She has proven nothing and refuses to even testify against him because it's all bullshit. Yall apparently have a very low standard over there though. Hope no chick or dude ever ask for rough sex with you records it and then claims you raped them to blackmail you because clearly you're guilty from the jump and should have to prov your innocence lmao.
Yes obviously it's a foreign country hence me calling talking about you being foreign fucks.
America is the foreign country. Nice try.
In America in a criminal trial you have to affirmatively prove that the evidence is what you claim it is through authentication.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Authentication refers to a rule of evidence which requires that evidence must be sufficient to support a finding that the matter in question is what its proponent claims.
Is the fact that this guy talked about raping a woman sufficient to establish that he was talking about raping a woman? Why, yes. If wants to prove that aliens kidnapped him and brainwashed him into saying it, that's his claim to prove, not anyone else's to disprove.
and refuses to even testify against him because it's all bullshit
That's a different matter.
Yall apparently have a very low standard over there though
Apparently? So you have no more of an idea about our system than you do about your own?
And for the record, our system sucks. As does yours.
Been watching a lot of football YouTube for ages now, and something came up that I honestly forgot, because I do need to look at the full story again, but supposedly, she didn’t even release the video and audio, they were leaked.
I follow soccer/football closely and I've seen a lot of accusations against famous soccer players fall apart -- in fact, most recent accusations against superstars have fallen apart (Neymar, Ronaldo, Mendy, etc.). I think I have a good understanding of the public-facing aspects of this case, so I'd like to share my perspective here.
Mason Greenwood was and is a phenomenal young striker, with world class potential, who is still contracted with Manchester United. He rose to media prominence quickly, and within half a year of being in the spotlight, was accused by his girlfriend Harriet Robson of coercive and controlling behaviour, multiple beatings, and multiple rapes.
Unlike most cases against footballers, Robson appeared to have audio and video evidence against Greenwood. Robson had secretly recorded minutes of audio footage of what sounded like Greenwood aggressively forcing himself on her despite her protests that she didn't want to have sex. Robson also posted public videos of what appeared to be semi-dried blood running from her mouth, down her chin, and the front of her throat.
As you can no doubt guess, Greenwood was absolutely excoriated by fans and media following the release of this alleged evidence. Virtually every member of the ultimate coalition for championing women's justice, the soccer subreddit, met this news and evidence with abject condemnation. Greenwood was charged by UK police following the outcry.
However, there are some issues with the case:
So based on that, and based on the incalculable number of incentives that women have to accuse famous, rich footballers of sex crimes, I thought skepticism was a healthy approach. Apparently, the absolute walnut brains that are European football fans refuse to learn their lessons, refuse to believe that this isn't some unprecedented miscarriage of justice and women's rights, and refuse to support presumption of innocence.
Fuck them, lol.
Remains his girlfriend? What the fuck? Assuming she's lying, and you know she's lying, why would you keep her?
The bitch wants his money.
And Greenwood is a fucking idiot.
If authenticated, seems bad enough to me.
Right, but see point 4.
Damn my impatience and inability to count past 3!
I think that if the guy can prove that it was sexual roleplay, then sure, whatever. I don't think it should be a get out of jail free card if he cannot. It would be very easy for anyone to make that claim, without providing evidence, and get off scot-free.
Now that I learned to count past 3, point 5 is also legitimate. That said, a lot of folks stay with abusers, so while it definitely is a point in his favor, I wouldn't say it alone makes it open-and-shut.
Hahah, shush.
I've had girlfriends who wanted similar treatment, so my kneejerk wasn't to judge it as darkly as I guess most others did. I also give the audio clips less credibility in the context of her fake blood videos.
On the surface, this stuff doesn't make Greenwood look good, but I err on the side of presuming innocence.
I know you foreign fucks aren't big on rights but innocent until proven guilty. She should have to prove its not roleplay.
Foreign? What are you talking about? You're the American here.
That is stupid. You clearly don't understand the law, of any place, if you think that. Imagine if every rapist could get off by saying that it was 'roleplay'.
Yes obviously it's a foreign country hence me calling talking about you being foreign fucks.
In America in a criminal trial you have to affirmatively prove that the evidence is what you claim it is through authentication. She has proven nothing and refuses to even testify against him because it's all bullshit. Yall apparently have a very low standard over there though. Hope no chick or dude ever ask for rough sex with you records it and then claims you raped them to blackmail you because clearly you're guilty from the jump and should have to prov your innocence lmao.
America is the foreign country. Nice try.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Authentication refers to a rule of evidence which requires that evidence must be sufficient to support a finding that the matter in question is what its proponent claims.
Is the fact that this guy talked about raping a woman sufficient to establish that he was talking about raping a woman? Why, yes. If wants to prove that aliens kidnapped him and brainwashed him into saying it, that's his claim to prove, not anyone else's to disprove.
That's a different matter.
Apparently? So you have no more of an idea about our system than you do about your own?
And for the record, our system sucks. As does yours.
Man blackmailed into not leaving his girlfriend.
She owns him now.
Sue her? Charges were dropped because she went back to him and they got engaged - she refused to testify against him.
Initial audio for those unfamiliar with the situation: https://youtu.be/qolU4gPe54s
I can't understand a word they're saying.
Been watching a lot of football YouTube for ages now, and something came up that I honestly forgot, because I do need to look at the full story again, but supposedly, she didn’t even release the video and audio, they were leaked.
Anyone?
You are thoroughly damaged.
No, you are thoroughly damaged. Because no normal person makes conclusion about 'women' based on one insane women's organization.
Which says nothing about your initial claim, Ms. Damaged.