Oh fuck off, Ben Shapiro
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What was the drama?
I did not follow it since I stop watching them some time ago.
When Crowder left Blaze, DW offered him a shitty contract that gave them control over pretty much everything plus huge finanical penalties if Big Tech censored him- could drop his "lucrative" deal to like 5% of what was offered, and that's the total money they were given to produce his show and play everyone involved.
Crowder did a video protecting DW's identity while criticising Big Con contracts (he even said this was standard among Big Con even if people did figure out who), DW's CEO did a 1 hr video trying to justify the contract, then they sicced every DW host onto Crowder- Candace Owens was just nasty calling Crowder a grifter (lol, takes one to know one), his audience stupid, etc while Matt Walsh licked all the DW choad.
Then Crowder released a clip of a phone call w/ DW CEO (a bad move IMO) yesterday while Ownens was on Beanie Man attacking Crowder left and right.
"Nooooooooo! Not my heckin' basedireno black women!"
I've been telling people this for fucking years, but no one listens. The dumb bitch was shilling the "Freedumb Phones" which glow like the fucking sun. Hell, just recently she was hawking some banking app that apparently has turned into a total dumpster fire. She's a fucking snake oil seller and people need to quit praising every single black person for reaching the bare minimum.
Rekeita Law went over her content:views numbers and concluded she's a failure and nobody likes her. Her views are pathetic relative to her number of subscribers. She's probably just mad that A) She signed a shit deal with DW, and B) Crowder is standing up to them and that makes her feel worses.
Her numbers are consistent with a 2-300 K channel, not a 1.3 M channel.
Owens literally got her start by trying to start a website that was entirely for doxxing and bullying people. She only turned to the Right because the Left jumped on her for this idea, because it would allow people to chronicle their bad behavior. Suddenly she came back as this ultra based Conservative voice, and nobody ever even mentioned her past again.
She was always a grifter, and proof that the Right will fellate anyone who can prove they aren't a bigot/x-phobe like good little bitches.
I love that Daily Wire literally outed themselves in less than 24 hours to all this.
And the video was full of Boreing fulfilling some joyful mercantile professional stereotypes.
thank you for the summary. why do you think it was a bad move to release the phone call?
In general, releasing a private convo (especially a generally friendly one) isn't a good idea and especially releasing a small clip like that.
I don't have issue with him recording the call, this wasn't just a friendly chat between pals- and if Boring had given some a smoking gun GOTCHA moment that really exposed him then you could justify it. But I don't think him jokingly say "wage slave" was it.
To be fair, I highly doubt they're friends. They're more like "friends". I would've done exactly what Crowder did. At that the level of play, with the amount of money involved, with the insane contract he was offered, and with Daily Wire's and Ben Shapiro's reputation, if it were me, I absolutely would've recorded all of the conversations with them. A genuine person records a conversation when they feel that the other side might lie about what was said. There've been lots of stories the last few years of right wingers who've done interviews with the MSM, who release a ridiculously edited version of the interview to paint the right winger in the worst light, and the right winger saves themselves only because they had the wherewithal to recorded it, and released it to reveal the whole truth. This is also exactly what Project Veritas does to get their content. They get people comfortable, and record what they say.
Our side has been burned far too many times to rely on trust. We've known for a while now that many on our side are fake, and are Uniparty/ConInc./RINO/globalist pieces of shit, who are intentionally setting themselves up as traps for normie right wingers, who would otherwise move much further right, if not for the false choice and half truth they're presented with.
Predatory people deserve to be outed. Predatory practices deserve to be criticized. All of it should be shared openly, so everyone knows who those people are and what they do.
The one fair criticism of Crowder that I've heard is that this is all PR by him, because Daily Wire didn't agree to his counter offer, and so Crowder is only releasing this all now, after the fact, because he probably wants to set up his own independent company. However, contrary to this criticism, and to be fair to Crowder, he didn't tell anyone who this predatory company was. The Daily Wire were stupid and outed themselves.
O wow, lots of drama. Not surprised by any of the events
funny way of writing "they offered him $50 million dollars".
Yes, they were offering to buy his brand... for $50 million. Buying entails ownership. They didn't control his show, though, only the monetization.
The contract stated that if he was demonetized/banned for an extended period of time, his payment would be reduced. Why? Because DW monetizes through those platforms so they'd lose money, and they obviously aren't going to pay $50 million when they can't make that money back because he went full Kanye.
Yes if he got banned everywhere. Sure. And? Then don't sign the contract if you plan on getting yourself banned everywhere like Kanye, though even Kanye isn't banned from Youtube.
Considering his show is just him talking like a podcast, I can't imagine his overhead is large. He's not filming a Netflix series.
No, he didn't. He did everything but say the DW name, and everyone who watched it immediately knew he was referring to the DW.
except no, because he did not identify or criticize any other contracts or offer, he only singled out the DW.
false. The immediate reaction from the DW was only 2 things:
Ben Shapiro being very nice about it and saying it's sad/disappointing but he wishes Crowder the best and considers him a friend
Boering making a youtube video just going through the written offer to give context about how it isn't such a nasty thing, and also being very friendly towards Crowder
THEN CROWDER DROPPED THAT HE SECRETLY RECORDED BOERING ON A PERSONAL non-business PHONE CALL WITHOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT AS A SET UP.
THAT is what caused the rest of the DW hosts to come out swinging. Mega scumbag escalation move by Crowder.
yeah they're both grifters.
Nope. You got your timeline mixed up. I follow them all on twitter so I saw it. No one at the DW was doing jack shit to attack Crowder until after he dropped the bombshell of the recorded call. You purposely flipped the order of that to make Crowder seem like he was defending himself. Bullshit. Crowder has been the aggressor here every single step.
MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Would you kill your mom for $50 mil? Suck my dick? And it's not $50 million if 95% of that gets taken away because you offended Big Tech.
Minus every production cost, assuming they didn't deduct for leftist ad boycotts working or Big Tech censorship.
DW also offers subscriptions, they'd still have Mug Clug memberships.
BUT MONEY!! 50 MIL ZOMG~~!!!! You're mad he didn't sign the contract but saying "just don't sign the contract", make up your mind.
Besides the daily show, that he's required to film in a professional studio with professional staff in order to upload the production standard clause, he has to produce quarterly & annual content like Change My Mind- those involve travel, security, permits, etc. And if he has to replace equiptment DW doesn't cover that, that comes out of the lump sum.
He specifically said there were new players trying to get into the market, plus there's half a dozen other outlets it reasonably could have been- on top of that he said this contract wasn't unusual and that other Big Con oulets had similar deals.
See above
Owens, Walsh & others joined in before that- it started after Jeremy did his reveal video.
he counter offered 120 millions, so he could be bought for that amount. this is a fight between jews and their shabbos over the price of service.
Are you a child? Yes, the whole point of an employment offer is about money. Have you ever had a job before?
Crowder presently has a huge Youtube channel which is his primary way of driving monetization to his brand. He censors himself on his Youtube content all the time because he doesn't want to get banned. The whole "omg DW wants to carry water for youtube" angle is idiotic when you consider that nothing would change for Crowder. Obviously the whole "demonetized on youtube" thing is something Crowder could have and should have red lined instead of throwing a hissy fit.
Why are you dick riding Crowder on production costs? Do you know what his production costs are? Because I'm certain he didn't reveal that private business info to the public. Since he is a one-man-show and just a podcast, his production costs ought to be very low.
Sounds like an argument Crowder could have made in negotiating instead of crying about it in public.
Umm, no I'm not. I think Crowder is a juvenile idiot with an immature and cringe sense of humor, which is why I don't watch him, and why he's so popular on Youtube. I'm glad he didn't sign with the DW.
The quarterly content is cheap and the same as his daily show basically. The annual content is basically a "special" like "What is a Woman" that could involve travel and interviews. It wouldn't cost millions, and Boering openly said he was expecting to negotiate and end up paying more than the $50m original offer, which, btw, comes to $12.5m a year. Do you not understand $12.5m a year is? A typical low level staffer/contractor costs $30-50k. A high level one costs $70-100k. He could have a staff of 10 lower end and 5 higher end - which is way more than he should need, and that's only a payroll of ~$800k, which is only 6.4% of what he's getting paid.
Nope. DW is literally the only big player in the game of right wing punditry throwing around a lot of money right now. Nobody else offered Crowder anywhere near this much money.
Not that I saw on Twitter, and I can say this is especially true of Walsh. Go ahead and link me his tweet prior to the recorded call where he attacked Crowder. The whole of DW was being unusually polite and nice to Crowder. I would not have been. I think it's because Shapiro and Boering wanted to be the adults and maintain friendly relations with Crowder even though he knifed them.
Over the span of 4 years. Also, it's pretty much a budget. That DW can take from him if his social media (that he no longer controls) gets punished.
Again, over 4 years. And it's a budget that he needs to use to pay people. Also, this fly-by-night contract is completely in DW's favor despite Crowder bringing more fans to DW than vice verse. By the way, if they "don't control his show", why the fuck are they giving themselves power to run his social media? You know, the same ones that will result in penalties against his budget if they even get hit with anything. Hmmmm, almost gives DW incentives to post things that would cause strikes and warnings.
I'm not doing a play-by-play because it's already clear you're either a shill or a fucking moron.
$12.5 million a year for Crowder is more than he's worth IMO. It's not a low ball offer, and Boering said he expected to go higher. Crowder's counter of $30 million per year was absurd and caused the DW to walk away because it was unworkable.
Crowder's show is a low budget podcast where he just talks. Idk what kind of budget you think that requires, but it has to be well under $1m per year even if he hired more staff than he needs.
DW offered to buy ownership of his official, not personal, social media presence. They did not "control" it other than to monetize it. He still controlled his content and what he said.
And DW has every right to guard against the possibility that Crowder might "go full Kanye" and self immolate his brand, especially if his contract said that DW bears all the risk of that and Crowder still gets his full paycheck. It's a perverse incentive to misbehave. Crowder doesn't misbehave now. He is very careful to keep his big Youtube channel up. So is Crowder doing the evil work of big tech now by censoring himself? Yes. He's a hypocrite.
I get that Crowder thinks that. I get that you are blindly parroting it from him without knowing the true facts.
Clearly, Crowder thought he was worth $30m/yr and DW thought he was worth maybe half that. The market will decide who was right. However, it is still a scumbag move for Crowder to knife the DW to try to line his own pockets.
"I'm too immature to disagree with someone who doesn't like a guy I'm a fanboi of without being an angry little asshole about it"
grow up.
$50 million is dogshit. $50 million included him paying all of his staff and producing all of the content. $50 million is an insanely lowball offer. He can't run his production with that number.
Yes, and they also assumed almost no risk from the production of the show. Because that was all on Crowder with that measly $12.5M/year.
His entire point was that that business model fucking sucks, you stupid cunt. He and The Blaze managed to make his show work with almost zero advertising and no monetization on Youtube. Now magically with the DW, he gets less money, he has to shill scams like Birch Gold, and it comes with 'btw if you don't lick Youtube boot we steal all your money'? lmao go fuck yourself.
And he does a ton of high-production value videos, including skits, music events, etc. He goes out and does Change My Views that require a lot of security and setup. He even dropped $250,000 of his own money on a fucking Christmas giveaway every single year.
That's DW's fault.
lmao eat shit. Boering basically made the equivalent of a rookie contract to Tom fucking Brady who wanted to come play for his team.
Crowder probably estimated his value at around $90-100M. When someone comes in with a stupidly insulting bullshit offer like $50M, it's a hostile negotiation. You shouldn't have to then counter-offer at one hundred and fifty fucking percent just to get these shekel-pinching dickshits to even begin to talk about meeting you halfway where you have to be.
So fucking what, you lickspittle cuntswabs don't have a problem when Project Veritas does it.
You mean besides Boering's bullshit hour-long video claiming that enslaving Crowder was 'doing him a favor'?
You don't know what his payroll costs. I know a lot about small business numbers through my litigation work. His payroll should be well under $1 million, insignificant compared to the offer price.
Have you watched his show? He literally just sits at a desk, alone, and gives his commentary on current events. Why do you think this is some kind of expensive operation requiring dozens of people? He only needs like 3-5 people max, and that's if he just wants to save himself the time so he just needs to show up and bullshit.
He uses that busniess model right now on his Youtube channel he posts to daily. "You stupid cunt." lol reply over