Dont even have to watch these videos, just look at the comments on them ( I recommend using ad block to not give these people any ad revenue profits, even if its a few cents): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlwnlb72rLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pman_LN8sVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfCzdZZtP5g
And the thing that pisses me off is that anime is actually such a diverse medium, that there are literally mountainloads of anime that dont sexualize women. There is literally genres like shoujo and manhwa geared towards female audiences, and yet these people go into shounen (a genre meant for teenage boys), and the complain that the women are sexualized.
https://ibb.co/qWMmYMs https://ibb.co/8zRf8sQ https://ibb.co/x2GcyNH
And when you point out that there are genres that gear towards women as well, its still not enough for them.
Related to the post u/Theman2008 made earlier today
A few comments from the videos:
I know this commenter is talking about My Hero specifically, but in anime as a whole? It of course varies from anime to anime, but I'd argue the opposite; men are usually generic cutouts, whereas the female characters, even if trope-y, are distinct. And I've literally seen feminists bitch about that.
Generic female characters = bad, cause sexism. Generic male characters = bad, because it means men can identify with them; Patriarchy! You can't win.
...Watch...different...anime...then...?
Seriously, there's plenty of anime with well developed (heh) female characters, and even female protagonists, who are not there to be "objects of pleasure."
You have to explain that the male gaze is bad because you're in a cult, and you don't think like normal people anymore. As to fanservice, that trend is not because they want to humiliate and degrade female characters but because those characters don't usually display that level of sexuality or nakedness on their own, so to fit it in it has to be that accidental peeping or whatever. Oh, and also, Japan is fucking weird.
Funny thing is, again, they'd be unhappy no matter what. If a female character showed off willingly (in universe, I mean...because these are fictional characters and aren't un/willing since they're not real) all the time for fanservice...feminists are still pissed. As evidenced in some of the other comments there. So their argument that fanservice is sometimes "against the will" of the female characters is nonsense since they're also pissed when it's not against their will.
And, yes, anime must be gatekept the fuck out of.
Is it me or do the majority of women who whine about “male gaze” have jealousy issues? It seems like they can’t handle the idea that someone marketing to guys will include attractive women. Of course every superhero or guy on the cover of a romance novel has rippling muscles. Or wouldn’t 50 Shades be a massive example of the female gaze?
I mean, you could say the same for the feminist movement as a whole; most of them are not attractive, and the ones that are are usually indoctrinated college girls who are trying to fit in with the 'cool kids.'
Also, they suffer extensively from Protagonist Syndrome, where they all think they're the main character of life. Of course it's an insult if someone else - even fictional characters - are more attractive than them, or gets more attention. Narcissism through and through.
Also fits perfectly with why someone like Anita Sarkessian who admitted to not being a gamer couldn’t just say gaming wasn’t for her and move to something else, she had to make up a crusade to “fix” the hobby.
Every woman wants to "feel pretty/cute/attractive." Its in their instincts. Its why their self esteem is so deeply tied to it. Even if they argue they aren't trying to attract men by wearing makeup or certain clothes, the very idea of "feeling" good about your appearance is basically their entire confidence's foundation.
So when they see attractive women, and that men find that woman attractive, it reminds them of their own lack. Now, most could probably reach a 7-8/10 level of attractiveness with effort, but they don't want to put it in. Its easier in their mind to change all of society to lower the bar to their level than simply try.
That’s a big difference between men and women. If I see a dude that’s in shape that just reminds me to eat better and keep at my weight goal. But I totally agree. There is an episode of King of Queens where his wife sees construction workers by their house and is worried about getting catcalled. She is then disappointed when they don’t catcall her
You only have to watch the interview where Jordan Peterson suggests corporations should ban makeup in the workplace and look at the women's expressions, like he just told them to amputate a leg.
"Male gaze" is a bs term coined by some retarded art critic called John Berger, it's just taking the concept of "scopophilia" and making it a gendered issue because that's how you are brave and women would never look at men lustfully (except when they do, then it's empowering or something)
That's absolutely a huge part of it. The other part is actual androphobia. Both are rooted in how most women are failed women, which is its own topic. Failed women have a particular neurosis where they're both upset when a man (even a hypothetical man) doesn't find her attractive all the time, and also so deathly afraid of male sexuality that they don't want to see sexually provocative imagery displayed anywhere,
You've already mentioned the catcalling thing. That may have been a joke in a TV show, but it's a legitimate thing with women. Another good example are the western fujoshi - they desire male sexuality strongly enough that they're practically defined by their obsession with it, but also so afraid and disgusted by it being directed towards a woman that they can only play with it in the "safe" environment of gay porn.
I don't understand why people these days have this weird obssession of needing to relate to a character in order to like them or consider them well written. Not every character has to be relatable.
It probably comes down to narcissism. "If this character isn't a self insertion of me, then I can't understand them because I'm a completely self-centered cunt".
This has to be fairly new because I only heard people crying about representation in the last ten years or so
Characters need to be relatable on some level, that's just a part of storytelling. The relatability, though, has little to do with superficial characteristics.
Bad writers make it superficial. That's why 90% of male protagonists are Japanese teenagers with unkempt black hair loners who are especially bad at interacting with women. Oh, how relatable! Oh, make them semi-good at video games or studies, too! That's both lazy and weak writing.
But I've been reading though "Reborn as a Vending Machine", you've got an immobile vending machine MC, who literally can't converse. It would be a very boring story if the MC wasn't relatable, if it was just an account of sales and transactions. Relatability with a vending machine? Zero. Relatability with the MC? A lot more.
I've never been a vending machine selling chicken sticks to tazmanian devil lycanthropes, at least not recently, but I have been in customer service, I have been lost in foreign lands, I have hand-fed animals, I have made food for friends. I can know some distorted but represented emotion that the MC is feeling, within myself. Empathy. There's relatability far beyond "I'm not a vending machine, therefore I can't identify with this situation, therefore it is not relatable."
Those who cannot relate without direct physical characteristics, have no empathy.
That's because most girls in anime have modesty and that is part of what makes them so much more attractive than these "modern wahmen". Most of them are probably jealous they never receive the "male gaze".
For me, the biggest offence is that they assume only the men are looking or enjoying the fanservice. Women are frequently more interested in cute or sexy female characters than men.
It's not like it's a secret that more men than women watch JoJo, and more women than men watch Sailor Moon, even though there's many scenes of attractive men in states of undress in JoJo, and many scenes of attractive women in states of undress in Sailor Moon.