The original site contains a PDF of the decision: https://archive.vn/9heOD
Kari Lake lost her election contest and she will appeal.
This doesn't really surprise me, but I do like how this seems to have turned out here. I actually think there's a lot of good news here because the judgement basically ignored the defense's [Maricopa's] claims (except for one or two times). The rest of the judgement is not filled with exaggerated hyperbole about how Kari Lake is a terrorist trying to undermine democracy. Instead it's basically just saying: "Hey, you didn't meet the burden of proof". To be honest, given this decision, the entirety of the Maricopa's case seems to be based around actually trying to cover thier own ass in the public sphere, and failing to do it properly. I think this case has actually hurt their credibility much more than it would have if the case hadn't been televised. Thank fucking Christ for that!
Here's the burden that she had to get through:
The burden of proof in an election contest is on the challenger. Findley v. Sorenson, 35 Ariz. 265, 271-72 (1929). “The duty of specifying and pointing out the alleged illegal irregularities and insufficiencies is a task that should be undertaken by litigants and their counsel.” Grounds v. Lawe, 67 Ariz. 176, 189 (1948).
The election is basically valid until explicitly proven to be false by the challenger.
As for the actions of elections officials themselves, this Court must presume the good faith of their official conduct as a matter of law. Hunt, 19 Ariz. at 268. “[A]ll reasonable presumptions must favor the validity of an election.” Moore v. City of Page, 148 Ariz. 151, 155 (App. 1986). Election challengers must prove the elements of their claim by clear and convincing evidence. Cf. McClung v. Bennett, 225 Ariz. 154, 156, ¶ 7 (2010).
This is a big deal. ALL election officials are ASSUMED to be operating in good faith until explicitly proven otherwise. That's a crazy legal standard in any normal environment, but this is how bias the law is in favor in assuming the legitimacy of an election. Imagine a police corruption case where every police officer's testimony is assumed to be true until explicitly proven by the plaintiff to be false. If it's false, then you are legally required to assume it's an honest-to-goodness whoopsie-doodle until you prove malice and intent.
Uh, bit of a high burden there.
Here's the specific issues with the plaintif's arguments:
In his closing, counsel for Plaintiff argues that it “does not make sense” that Maricopa County did not know how many ballots Maricopa County had received on election night. But, at Trial, it was not Maricopa County’s burden to establish that its process or procedure was reasonable, or that it had an accurate unofficial count on Election Night. Even if the County did bear that burden, failing to carry it would not be enough to set aside election returns.
Basically acquiescing that it's not even enough for Maricopa County to even know how many votes it had at the time, or even that their Change of Custody processes were reasonable, just that they followed them.
The Court notes that Mr. Parikh also acknowledged a fact admitted by several of Plaintiff’s witnesses: that any ballot that could not be read due to BOD printer or tabulator failure could be submitted for ballot duplication and adjudication through Door 3 on the tabulators. Plaintiff’s own expert acknowledged that a ballot that was unable to be read at the vote center could be deposited by a voter, duplicated by a bipartisan board onto a readable ballot, and – in the final analysis – counted. Thus, Plaintiff’s expert on this point admitted that the voters who suffered from tabulator rejections would nevertheless have their votes counted. This, at a minimum, means that the actual impact element of Count II could not be proven. The BOD printer failures did not actually affect the results of the election.
This one was something the defense team harped on: if the ballots were put into unsecure boxes and counted by people at a different polling station, it means that the judge has to assume that the ballots were counted. Basically, Kari Lake's team would have to explicitly prove that ballots were lost before counting, or that they were counted incorrectly (which is impossible because Maricopa destroyed most of the original votes). Even given the destruction of evidence, even given the lack of secure procedures, even given the unreasonable procedures, until Kari's team can prove that a persona acted with malice, we must assume that they acted entirely in good faith. So, no dice.
Further, Mr. Baris admitted at Trial that “nobody can give a specific number” of voters who were put off from voting on Election Day. Thus, even if Plaintiff proved elements 1-3 of Count II by clear and convincing evidence, the truth of this statement alone dooms element 4. No election in Arizona has ever been set aside, no result modified, because of a statistical estimate. ... Indeed, to the extent that a range of outcomes was suggested by Mr. Baris, he suggested that – with his expected turnout increase on Election Day of 25,000-40,000 votes the outcome could be between a 2,000-vote margin for Hobbs to a 4,000-vote margin for Plaintiff. Taking Mr. Baris’s claims at face value, this does not nearly approach the degree of precision that would provide clear and convincing evidence that the result did change as a result of BOD printer failures. ... While this Court (in the absence of controlling authority) is reticent to state that statistical evidence is always insufficient as a matter of law to demonstrate a direct effect on the outcome of an election, a statistical analysis that shows that the current winner had a good chance of winning anyway is decidedly insufficient...
Again, the height of the bar is effectively insurmountable. Convincing statistical evidence is not enough, either Mr. Baris knew that exactly greater than 17,117 voters were unable to vote for Kari Lake specifically, or he did not. And since he didn't have the names and addresses of those +17,117 voters, and their corresponding testimony, then no dice.
The closest Plaintiff came to making an argument for quantifiable changes resulting from misconduct, was Ms. Marie’s Affidavit as discussed by Ms. Honey. Again, she states that Runbeck Election Services employees were permitted to introduce about 50 ballots of family members into the stream. But even this is not sufficient. Such a claim – if the Court accepted the Affidavit at face value – would constitute misconduct but would not come close to clear and convincing evidence that the election outcome was affected
So, this is a kind of horrific bit of evidence that the court is actually willing to entertain at face value by saying that 50 ballots were manually injected into Chain of Custody. Even in this case, this witness needed 17,067 additional ballots to be identified as being inappropriately added to the pile, it's not enough to beat the burden of proof required.
Okay, so yeah: "Didn't meet the burden of proof".
However, this is a burden of proof so fucking high that no normal human would honestly hold as a standard, even to your own family. This standard actually seems more strict than most criminal trials. Frankly, with a burden of proof this high, the cops who shot Daniel Shaver would have gotten off. The media was wrong when they said "Kari Lake has to identify a specific person who acted maliciously", because they actually kind of undersold the burden. She had to find dozens of specific people that explicitly fucked up the vote of at least 17,117 that would have voted for her. That is why Maricopa county thinks they can get away with both voter fraud and rampaging incompetence. However, in doing so, they've actually kind of exposed themselves (again) as being violently incompetent if not outright fraudulent. The judge isn't actually trying to act and sound like a hyper-partisan Neo-Con, possibly because of how closely surveilled the trail was, and so we don't see the partisan screeching that we saw from the PA SC in Giuliani's lawsuit, or the breathless condemnation and demands for disbarment that we saw directed at Sidney Powell.
If I were Kari Lake, I'd totally appeal this case, but not on the grounds that the burden of proof could have been met if they had a re-trail. Instead: focus on getting a retrail on different issues, the ones that were dismissed earlier. Drag this back into televised court again, and drag an entirely different set of problems, witnesses, and evidence to the forefront. Keep hammering on the suspicious behavior of the Maricopa BoE, and drive home the point of their utter incompetence as the most charitable interpretation.
It's not a legal win, but I think it's a big gain publicly against the Uniparty in the arena of public trust and confidence.
I've said it before, the correct plan here is to actually start bussing Republicans to Democratic polling stations to prevent pre-planned fraud. I don't like Ballot Harvesting, but until you make it illegal, you will probably have to do it. And (to AoV's credit), you may need to get some republicans to vote early to throw off the planned fraud.
I agree with you, but I also want to rant a bit.
She (Hobbs) was able to oversee the election that she was running in.
How that isn't a huge conflict of interest is beyond me.
That should have gotten her ejected from the race, or have a neutral third party oversee it instead.
That didn't happen, and that just doesn't sit right with me.
Remember Kemp in GA didn't recuse himself from his position of secretary of state while overseeing his election for governor that he won in 2018.
Stacy Abrams accused him of stealing the election away from her alleging voter suppression in 2018.
Kari Lake is alleging voter suppression in 2022 and that Katie Hobbs stole it away from her.
It is clear some very shady shit happened in Arizona.
I think it is common sense to say no secretary of state of any party affiliation should be allowed to oversee their own election.
I don't see the Lake appeal going anywhere.
The judicial system will not overturn any election results in favor of Republicans regardless of what has occurred.
You have to have a smart strategy that stops or minimizes any potential fraud before it happens. It is impossible to litigate for a victory after it happens.
While true there hasn't been a court decision for or against a governor electoral race, the 2000 presidential race was decided by the supreme court.
So if Kari Lake really wants to push it all the way to the top of the court system, the possibility exists that it could.
The Supreme Court election case for the 2000 presidential race was about whether a partial recount should be allowed to happen as dictated by the Florida state Supreme Court in the single state of Florida. The national Supreme Court granted a stay to the Florida state supreme court order and stopped the recount thus Bush won.
They didn't overturn any result. Bush was the winner before the lawsuit and the lawsuit kept the status quo. They didn't flip it over to Bush. They just prevented a partial recount.
Gore wanted a partial recount in which they would only recount counties that could benefit him while the Bush legal team argued that the only fair option would be a full recount but that since the safe harbor date was approaching, they didn't have the time for a full recount.
No election case has overturned the results of an election. There has been one case where a local election in North Carolina was run again because of evidence of blatant fraud from the Republican side.
The legal system just won't overturn or call for a revote in any major gubernatorial or Senate or presidential election based on established precedent. That is just the cold reality of the situation. The courts won't solve election fraud issues.
Republicans in swing states somehow have to create a smart strategy to prevent fraud so they can then win the elections and then ban mail in ballots and ballot harvesting after.
What is the standard mechanism for contesting or disputing an election in the United States?
Battle of Athens (1946)
Well, 2000 is a bit different. And I don't actually mean (D)ifferent.
The Florida SC absolutely ripped a new asshole into the five counties that fucked up their elections, and basically said: "No, fuck you, you don't get to change your rules during the fucking vote. You do exactly what you said you were supposed to do from the beginning, fuck you, die." ... that's not a direct quote.
SCOTUS got the lawsuit, saw the giant fucking steaming pile of shit that the Democrats had made out of the elections and said, "Naw dog. Do what the Florida Supreme Court told you to do."
So, the elections in 2000 weren't "changed". It's just that the Dem counties violated their own procedures to try and get more votes, and they were told to stop. The left then turned that into "SCOTUS stole the election from us" because they were told to stop counting illegally.
God I wish we still lived in the year 2000.
We all fucking do.
Yes, the pattern is obvious. Members of the same Democrat fraud machine use the same dirty tricks regardless of location. Being allowed to win at the state level is the payoff for Kemp and Raffensperger helping the Dems cheat at the federal level.
Hard to say whether any shady shit really happened in GA 2018 elections or if Abrams is just making shit up as Dems often do.
In 2022 the Trump endorsed new right Republican Burt Jones won lieutenant governor so it is not just establishment Republicans who won GA.
The only Republican to lose statewide in GA in 2022 is Herschel Walker who was a poor candidate to be honest. The man had so many children out of wedlock and that pisses off the squishy suburb Republicans who voted for Kemp and every other down ballot Republican except for Walker.
My point is that they didn't cheat him out of the election because he's one of their stooges. That win is probably legitimate, but he shouldn't have been overseeing his own election. That set the precedent for the Dems doing it, and that precedent setting was likely intentional. Having Kemp and Raffensperger stab the base in the back was worth sacrificing the gap toothed ape for the Dems.
Not only that, but she actually had a slew of votes hand delivered to her office for "accuracy".
She needs to be completely thrown out. I like Robert Barnes' recommendation of a Special Master to oversee a re-do election. I think if the Secretary of State is running in their own election, you should have a special master running the damn thing by default.
What you want and what Barnes suggests is just not supported by any legal precedent.
Once shady shit happens in a statewide election(gubernatorial or Senate or presidential), no judge is going to overturn the results or call for a new special election.
Barnes is pushing copium to his audience sadly. What he suggests has never been done before in any statewide election in modern times.
We need to prevent fraud in the first place. Once shit happens in elections, they won't allow any legal remedies.
Republicans need to create a viable strategy to prevent/minimize fraud and then win so they can change the system to have election integrity.
As a Libertarian, I'm well aware that many of my views don't have legal precedent within the past 150 years. Hell, I want to overturn Marbury v. Madison. That being said, a system that pushes more pressure back on the legislature is a good idea.
There's no mechanism to prevent fraud at this point within Maricopa County. Fraud is guaranteed. You actually need counters to it as we've both suggested in the past. Once you counter the fraud and win, you need to then pass sweeping criminalizations of all the mechanisms of fraud that the previous regime was using.
You would also have to replace every single person who worked under Hobbs in the election with somebody who had absolutely no connection to any Democrats.
Yes. Clear them out.
That doesn't sit right with me either.
I know it's a very different thing, but I know you cannot be the executor of a will if you are named in the will to be bequeathed something.
And this seems like a hell of a lot more high stakes than who gets aunt margaret's old antique sewing machine, and hummel collection, or whatever.
I don't think anyone expected differently. If I understand the point you're making (that the burden of proof is so high that no one could meet it in any conceivable circumstance) then you have far more faith that the court is applying the rule of law than I (and I suspect most of this site) do. Even "conservative" judges fuck us on anything important. They're very much in the uniparty. Look at how many Trump appointees told Trump to go fuck himself in 2020 because Cocaine Mitch was the one feeding him judicial candidates.
I appreciate that Lake is fighting this instead of rolling over like the rest of the house niggers that are transparently controlled opposition but the outcome of this suit was never in doubt. The fix was in long before the election itself, never mind the actual lawsuit.
I just don't have the knowledge of Arizona law to contest the judge's claims. It's by no means the first time I've read a judge explicitly lie in his own conclusions. For the most part, the big thing here is that his logic seems internally consistent.
I'd say I don't agree with Barne's tweet from a few days ago that "@KariLake proved everything she needed to today to win her election contest." That seems to be based on what he said later about intentionality:
If Barnes is correct (I'm not a lawyer), then I'd agree. But like I said, the judge is applying a standard which makes normal human standards of proof fall short. Again, the level of evidence that the Judge thinks Lake has to prove to even bring the winner in doubt is astronomical.
I do actually find his argument of returning it to the legislature compelling. That gives it more political weight to elected representatives to a degree:
Something like this means that specific people have to take responsibility for the outcomes.
This isn't my area of expertise at all. I know too little to be truly helpful.
I just continually hear that there were shenanigans on just about every level you can get when it comes to the who/what/when/where of voting, and how the votes are moved, and who gets to view them, etc.
And now Lake has to produce evidence beyond the shadow of doubt, for a court that could have just used it's eyes and said "Oh yeah, seems fishy. Let's pass this to a higher court for a more thorough deep dive." or whatever a judge says to pass that along to a court that has more power.
Instead what's going to happen is that a red state will be blue until voter laws actually mean something, and people are not just able to do whatever they feel like and disenfranchise the voting base just because they didn't vote the right way, for the right person.
Yeah, probably. We are not a national of laws. We are a nation of men. Men make laws, men make governments, and men make a government of laws. At the moment, the government is unhindered by the law, and thinks we are a nation of laws made by the government. So, men will have to correct the government and the law until it is corrected.
Democracy is the worst form of government. Voting is just shade for shadow governments to operate within. Monarchy or nothing.
The idea that a monarchy is better is utterly laughable, because at that point the bureaucracy you are worried about is then wholly unaccountable to anything from the populace. The reason that the English destroyed their monarchy is because their monarch declared that he had the will of God, could literally do no wrong, and invaded his own country with foreign armies that burned English towns. The Americans spurred our king because the abuses of parliament were never kept in check, and when we objected, the king declared that the colonies belonged to him personally and that every single member of every colonial government that opposed his personal ownership of the colonies would be killed. And to be clear, the English had the best monarchies. It only goes downhill from there.
The command given to the farmers of Lexington was "get off the King's green", first. An order for them to abandon their own village which this King never stepped foot in and never knew existed, despite them having built the community from the wilderness with bare hands.
That's what monarchy gets you: invasions by foreigners, and the government declaring itself to be the manifestation of God on Earth, while declaring your house to be their personal property. That is the best any monarchy can be: the worst that we have now.
Monarchists believe that a monarch will have a duty of obligation to his subjects. He doesn't. They never have, they never will, and they don't care. They just say it to make themselves look legitimate.
Monarchy > Aristocracy > Democracy
Read a book. Monarchies last for hundreds of years, while democracy is a fucking cruel joke that pits us against one another all the time, only to behead every puppet they throw at us every 5-8 years to make us feel like we're involved in the process.
Monarchy is the only way. Especially one based on an heir system, where the heir to the Crown is literally trained their entire life on how to rule. Taking the pretense of participation out of the hands of the plebs is the only way to regain pride in one's nation and to bring about unity in place of the constant fucking in fighting.
I'd much rather have everyone agree that the monarch was chosen by God, then to live under a puppet everyone believes was chosen by the people.
Christ is King, anyway.
Monarchies last as long as the king isn't assassinated or killed, which is part of the problem, because every "book" that you're referring to can tell you about spans of 40 or 50 years where the king, who hates his subjects, has no accountability, taxes incessantly, and engages in endless foreign wars ruins the lives of his people for multiple generations at a time.
I'm not even a fan of Democracy, and you're not even espousing the right criticism. Democracy isn't a joke. You are pit against one another because you are dependent upon charlatans, renters, and corporate owners to whom you owe loyalty. They are simply your guild masters and lords.
Hilariously, Democracy has a nasty habit of returning to the aristocracy you think is such a good idea.
The reality is that the biggest problem with Democracy is that it degenerates in the tyranny that a monarchy also degenerates into. That's why you need stratification in your republic, along with an independent rule of law.
Let's try this again: read a fucking book.
History is absolutely littered with useless kings and queens who reveled in their wealth and were never any good at state craft. Most monarchs, in most kingdoms, most of the time, were just trash.
The pattern is simple: 30-40 years of a strong, good, king. another 40 years of barely maintaining the gains of the strong king with an adequate king. Then 100-200 years of weak kings that destroy the kingdom. Then 30-40 years of a strong king.
Or, we could interrupt that process of 200 years of shit, and actually change the government so our lives can improve (instead of selling lands to the Dane Law).
The only way for plebians to have pride in their country is for the plebians to be denied power and to accept the rule of the autocrats in power. I've heard this before. It's called: every Globalist regime that exists. Germany is actually an excellent version of this.
Which is why under such a system you would inevitably be executed by the King's men. The fact that you simply agree, rather than publicly humiliate yourself to the perfect truth that the monarch is the direct descendant of God and that no man should ever dissent from his perfection: demonstrates your sacrilege, and is evidence why you and your family should be drawn an quartered.
Ridiculous. "Read a book" from an idiot who doesn't know what the Star Chamber was and why it's not great.
No, your King is The Christ. After all, who's going to say he's wrong? God? The King's will is God's will. You? Kill yourself, you sacrilegious scum. You King speaks on behalf of God.
Why are we limiting ourselves to what has been tried?
What about a monarchy where the king is bound by a constitution guaranteeing negative rights to all subjects, overseen by a council of 12 members consisting of 4 generals, 4 religious leaders, and 4 scholars of history. The council can only do two things; depose the king if and only if he breaks the constitution, and approve the use of the military. Both with a 2/3 majority.
That's just at the top of my head. Surely we shouldn't resign ourselves to democracy, the very institution that's empowering the midwits to wreck everything that's good and worthwhile.
So you insist on being ruled by a Cathedral of Experts?
Those 12 people will now have the power to overthrow the king, and use the king as a puppet instead.
That's what we basically have now, but smaller and less accountable.
The Representative Republic we had was actually a fairly good one. You just need to make some mild improvements on that.
It is one of the things I dont understand when I watch Carl and the other Lotus Eaters talk about wanting to get rid of Parliament and go back to a full monarchy.
You may have had a [mild] point when Lizzy was in charge. But my guys, you have King Charles III now! The man who would turn the UK into an explicit WEF colony and tell you all it was for your own good (what is it with all British King Charles being cursed?). The Tory Parliament may be bad. A Labour Parliament may be worse. An unrestrained King of the WEF, though? Maybe you will finally learn why all of your colonies wanted to get away, even if that meant shooting their way out.
The English were like the Default Leftists of the British Empire. They had, and to a point still have, no idea what their empire actually did. It's why the Welsh, Scotts, and Irish hate them so much. They have a haughty "haw haw haw" style attitude when basically purging the shit out of all of their opponents, all while Norf FC has zero understanding of what's going down.
Churchill once said that the British massacre of 100 or so Indians before the partition was one of the greatest crimes that Britain had ever committed. They have no Earthly idea how uninteresting British troops slaughtering 100 unarmed protesters actually is. Britain had no issue doing that in all of their colonies, the issue was whether or not the English actually found out about it. Same thing with burning DC. It wasn't just the city they were burning, they were going to go William T. Sherman on all of Maryland, and were burning everything in their path, and planned to set all of Baltimore alight. It was only when news got back to London that they actually stopped burning everything.
The American Revolution can basically be summed up with: Anglos-In-The-Woods literally discover that Great Britain sucks.
Which is why it's very much like Brexit. Englishmen are discovering that Britain sucks. They really are the last people occupied by the British Empire. The heel-dragging bullshit and uniparty nonsense of Westminster that the English went through for 3 years, is what made the Americans crazy enough to pick up guns after 40 or so.
Thanks for the breakdown about this.
You're welcome