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American taxpayers are expected to pay up to $125 billion dollars to upgrade Finland's antique & obsolete Soviet-era weapons when Finland finally joins NATO (media.communities.win)
posted 3 years ago by Chukna 3 years ago by Chukna +18 / -0
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– dekachin 16 points 3 years ago +16 / -0

LOL.

Guess why Putinbot didn't link the source? Because it's dated May 1, 1997

Source article obviously doesn't mention Finland. lololol.

btw the source is the Institute for Policy Studies, a libtard anti-war think tank that always takes Russia's side, and advocated against getting involved with Ukraine.

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– AntonioOfVenice 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

I wondered why 'Soviet' weaponry was mentioned. Figured that was part of 'Finlandization'.

and advocated against getting involved with Ukraine.

So smart people?

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– LauriThorne 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Finland hasn't been using Soviet Era weapons for a long time.

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– APDSmith 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

I thought that was odd. Seems the Finnish military currently runs Leopard 2s, which, whatever you may think about their obsolescence, are not Soviet

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– APDSmith 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

In the specific example of towed artillery, you're absolutely correct, a lot of the Finnish towed artillery is based off the 1960s Soviet D-30 piece. The one that's still in service with 30% of the world's countries. The rest of it isn't as modern as the US, for instance, but it's not that old, and they've got quite a stockpile of non-Soviet stuff.

You're protesting just a little too hard, I think...

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– when_we_win_remember 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Does artillery really need updating?

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– LauriThorne 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Taiwan still has M1 howitzers from WWII pointed at China. Old doesn't mean bad.

The M1 Abrams was designed in 1972 and is still one of the most advanced tanks currently manufactured.

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– APDSmith 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Yup, without wanting to belabour things, the guy's correct, in the specific example of towed artillery ... even their self-propelled stuff is considerably newer.

While I'm sure there are newer, better towed guns out there, I'm unsure what makes a piece with decades of real-life reliability testing a bad gun?

Might also be worth noting with regard to the 240mm howitzer M1 that nobody makes howitzers that big any more. Most nations top out at 155mm these days - that packs plenty of punch and is considerably more mobile than the monster WWII howitzers, the WWII-era 155mm howitzer being just under half the weight of the 240mm. It's just that Taiwan, with purpose-built bunkers for those M1s, simply doesn't need that mobility.

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– almond_activator 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

This poster has a single comment on September 29th, then nothing until today, where he/she/trollself posted five articles all aimed at dividing Finland and the US.

All indications are this account was created by the first forum slider smart enough to wait out the handshake period but dull enough to make their agenda extremely obvious.

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– Assassin47 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Should we feel honored that someone (Putin?) thinks this forum is influential enough to waste time and money on?

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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

LOL! I'm attributing Putin's inaction to misplaced caution and risk-averseness, but if he has some sort of master plan to overextend the American Empire (which I consider unlikely), that'd be genius.

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– Assassin47 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Sadly it's probably the opposite. The West is funding the MIC while hoping the Russians will get desperate and overextend, and eventually being outspent will lead to a second Cold War collapse.

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