No it wasn't. That shit was a side show compared to the fact that the Socialist government blew up the economy, that the Russians had invaded in the 1920's and caused a communist insurrection in Berlin to support the invasion, and that the "Hunger Chancellor" who actually fixed the economy had cut programs that the predominantly socialist people of Germany thought they should still be able to have.
The National Socialists biggest argument was that they were a complete alternative, almost centrist, party that would keep the benefits of Socialism, Progressive Nationalism, and institutionalize the Volkish movement (which was an ahistorical revisionism of German history into myth).
The degeneracy of Berlin was just that: Berlin being weird. What most Germans didn't like were the Berliners blowing up the economy and supporting a Russian invasion. The germans liked the 'benefits' of Socialism because they were under the impression that a socialist society was an inherently advanced society, but for some unknowable reason, their economy kept dying. So, they wanted an alternative to Communism, and Democratic Socialism, and evil-backwards-reactionary-thinking Capitalism that all the experts thought would be a really good idea. Well, they found it.
With all that information, if you compare it to today, would you say increased degeneracy is linked to an ineffectual and incompetent government that cannot effectively rule.
Makes logical sense, if you have no inclination to focus on the best for your people rather than yourselves, why not also delve in hedonistic practices.
I actually disagree, it's slightly different, but related.
It is actually that Authoritarianism, if left to fester long enough, or expanded into every aspect of a society to the point of Totalitarianism, will actually create both incompetence and degeneracy which leads to it's inevitable collapse.
This is because when an authoritarian seeks to maintain power for himself, he can't allow his subordinates to challenge his authority. The only way he can protect himself from revolution is dependency. The best way to control someone is vice. If you promote someone who is too incompetent or unskilled to replace you, they will be absolutely loyal, and contented with their position. If you promote someone who has a vice, you can control that person by controlling their access to that vice.
If you are a department head, and you promote someone who isn't smart enough to do your job as your assistant manager, he'll never challenge you because he needs you. Better yet, if he's already too stupid to do his job, but you're smart enough to do both, then he will be deathly loyal because he's at a position of unearned status and wealth because of you. If you promote someone who is a drunkard to the deputy manager position, and he knows that the only reason he keeps his job is because you keep protecting him from being fired for showing up drunk, then he will remain deathly loyal. The security of your position is absolute.
Now, apply that to an economy of scale.
You hire the drunkard as your direct subordinate, and he's loyal to you for your protection. The drunkard hires a thief as a direct subordinate who is loyal to the drunkard for his protection for corruption. The thief hires an incompetent to protect his authority and hide his theft. The incompetent hires a complete retard. The retard hires a criminal. The criminal hires a pedophile.
All the way down the line, each position of power is secured by worse and worse corruption, degeneracy, and incompetence.
The degeneracy isn't the cause. The degeneracy is a necessary aspect of authoritarianism. The degeneracy is mechanism of control.
Hunter Biden isn't the way he is because he's powerful. In fact, he has no power. He is a literal monetary vehicle for his father. Hunter is a slave. His degeneracy is a weapon wielded against him as a mechanism of controlling him.
Fixing the degeneracy is effectively impossible, because it is the power structure that is demanding it. This is why we are ruled by retards, the mentally ill, pedophiles, and addicts. All of them are easily controllable, but the people who should be in charge and controlling them are gone. All we are left with are the final phase of the inevitable collapse of such authoritarianism: groups of retards, invalids, degenerates, and thieves squabbling among each other as the whole system implodes on itself because the delicate racket of protectionism is without proper guidance.
You can't keep the system and fix the degeneracy. You have to destroy the whole system.
Like Sodom.
In fact, Christianity seems to make the most sense in identifying this issue. The 7 deadly sins are vices that actually make you easy to control by others. It's worded along the lines of being tempted by Satan, but it's also why the Christians keep looking around and saying the world is Satanic. They're right: it is. The world is ruled by a racket of vices that keep only the worst in power.
Weird, isn't it, that the areas that attempt to go full socialism - such as Berlin in the 1920s - always have as a solution to the complete degeneration of society that results of "more socialism"?
This is the point. All socialism inevitably seeks to correct the problems of socialism with socialism.
The idea that socialism is inherently morally degenerate is the result of the Fabian Socialists exposing the west to the longest period of cultural demoralization in history. That's the strategy of the "New Left". On the other hand, the "Old Left" didn't want to wait for that period of demoralization, and had enough power to just kill everyone who disagreed, and create their Year Zero moment themselves. As a result, Eastern Europe and the Soviet sphere of influence showed Communism as inherently morally traditionalist to their Communist morality from Year Zero.
The National Socialists biggest argument was that they were a complete alternative, almost centrist, party that would keep the benefits of Socialism, Progressive Nationalism, and institutionalize the Volkish movement (which was an ahistorical revisionism of German history into myth).
I hate using the word Centrist because it doesn't make sense in a modern context. They were explicitly a revolutionary party, but they saw themselves as an "all of the good parts" middle-ground between Communism and Capitalism.
Modern connotations of centrism implies that they would have been anti-revolutionary or reformist, but they were openly revolutionary. Hell, it's why they dissolved the constitution, and pledged to due so in their elections.
Their own description of "third way" is actually more apt than "centrist". The framing doesn't make sense objectively, but if you're a socialist who accepts a pure political binary between Communism and Capitalism, it does.
That's what I meant when I said that the Communists engaged in an insurrection. Antifa was always a Communist insurgent group, and was actively engaged in massive political street violence at the time, and even long before the NSDAP showed up.
Yeah I'm pretty sure family family-run whore houses and women or children being nothing more than a cheap commodity for foreigners was just "berlin being weird". Kys pedo apologist
It's cute that you think Europe wasn't degenerate when it was always America that had a much stronger religious center since the first settlers.
Even then, you're imposing an modern immigration problem in Germany to where it was in the 20's.
For Fuck Sake, the historical record is pretty clear that even when Bismark was in charge, a whole slew of his cabinet were homosexual. The degeneracy of Berlin was many decades old and only got worse under socialism. Which other socialists (like yourself) used as a weapon to gain power.
It's not like you National Socialists were any better. There was a reason the Nazi Youth organizations kept getting 15 year old girls pregnant, you were just hoping that pregnant girls and a welfare state could give you enough soldiers to fight off the Russians. It wasn't.
I just commented about you posting pedophilia apologism and suddenly you start calling me a nazi assuming who I am and what I stand for while doubling down on it all L O L
Wasn't part of the reason for the growth in Nazism in Germany was because of the degeneracy that was happening to the point you had child prostitution
So how about you stop being such open degenerates demanding public attention, and then you don't have to fear a huge backlash and camps?
No it wasn't. That shit was a side show compared to the fact that the Socialist government blew up the economy, that the Russians had invaded in the 1920's and caused a communist insurrection in Berlin to support the invasion, and that the "Hunger Chancellor" who actually fixed the economy had cut programs that the predominantly socialist people of Germany thought they should still be able to have.
The National Socialists biggest argument was that they were a complete alternative, almost centrist, party that would keep the benefits of Socialism, Progressive Nationalism, and institutionalize the Volkish movement (which was an ahistorical revisionism of German history into myth).
The degeneracy of Berlin was just that: Berlin being weird. What most Germans didn't like were the Berliners blowing up the economy and supporting a Russian invasion. The germans liked the 'benefits' of Socialism because they were under the impression that a socialist society was an inherently advanced society, but for some unknowable reason, their economy kept dying. So, they wanted an alternative to Communism, and Democratic Socialism, and evil-backwards-reactionary-thinking Capitalism that all the experts thought would be a really good idea. Well, they found it.
With all that information, if you compare it to today, would you say increased degeneracy is linked to an ineffectual and incompetent government that cannot effectively rule.
Makes logical sense, if you have no inclination to focus on the best for your people rather than yourselves, why not also delve in hedonistic practices.
Well ... to your first point, look at Rome and its supposed degeneracy prior to and during its fall.
Same with the ancient Greeks, specifically Athenians.
Even when there's documented evidence that there were laws on the books that tried to curb such evil.
I actually disagree, it's slightly different, but related.
It is actually that Authoritarianism, if left to fester long enough, or expanded into every aspect of a society to the point of Totalitarianism, will actually create both incompetence and degeneracy which leads to it's inevitable collapse.
This is because when an authoritarian seeks to maintain power for himself, he can't allow his subordinates to challenge his authority. The only way he can protect himself from revolution is dependency. The best way to control someone is vice. If you promote someone who is too incompetent or unskilled to replace you, they will be absolutely loyal, and contented with their position. If you promote someone who has a vice, you can control that person by controlling their access to that vice.
If you are a department head, and you promote someone who isn't smart enough to do your job as your assistant manager, he'll never challenge you because he needs you. Better yet, if he's already too stupid to do his job, but you're smart enough to do both, then he will be deathly loyal because he's at a position of unearned status and wealth because of you. If you promote someone who is a drunkard to the deputy manager position, and he knows that the only reason he keeps his job is because you keep protecting him from being fired for showing up drunk, then he will remain deathly loyal. The security of your position is absolute.
Now, apply that to an economy of scale.
You hire the drunkard as your direct subordinate, and he's loyal to you for your protection. The drunkard hires a thief as a direct subordinate who is loyal to the drunkard for his protection for corruption. The thief hires an incompetent to protect his authority and hide his theft. The incompetent hires a complete retard. The retard hires a criminal. The criminal hires a pedophile.
All the way down the line, each position of power is secured by worse and worse corruption, degeneracy, and incompetence.
The degeneracy isn't the cause. The degeneracy is a necessary aspect of authoritarianism. The degeneracy is mechanism of control.
Hunter Biden isn't the way he is because he's powerful. In fact, he has no power. He is a literal monetary vehicle for his father. Hunter is a slave. His degeneracy is a weapon wielded against him as a mechanism of controlling him.
Fixing the degeneracy is effectively impossible, because it is the power structure that is demanding it. This is why we are ruled by retards, the mentally ill, pedophiles, and addicts. All of them are easily controllable, but the people who should be in charge and controlling them are gone. All we are left with are the final phase of the inevitable collapse of such authoritarianism: groups of retards, invalids, degenerates, and thieves squabbling among each other as the whole system implodes on itself because the delicate racket of protectionism is without proper guidance.
You can't keep the system and fix the degeneracy. You have to destroy the whole system.
Like Sodom.
In fact, Christianity seems to make the most sense in identifying this issue. The 7 deadly sins are vices that actually make you easy to control by others. It's worded along the lines of being tempted by Satan, but it's also why the Christians keep looking around and saying the world is Satanic. They're right: it is. The world is ruled by a racket of vices that keep only the worst in power.
Weird, isn't it, that the areas that attempt to go full socialism - such as Berlin in the 1920s - always have as a solution to the complete degeneration of society that results of "more socialism"?
This is the point. All socialism inevitably seeks to correct the problems of socialism with socialism.
The idea that socialism is inherently morally degenerate is the result of the Fabian Socialists exposing the west to the longest period of cultural demoralization in history. That's the strategy of the "New Left". On the other hand, the "Old Left" didn't want to wait for that period of demoralization, and had enough power to just kill everyone who disagreed, and create their Year Zero moment themselves. As a result, Eastern Europe and the Soviet sphere of influence showed Communism as inherently morally traditionalist to their Communist morality from Year Zero.
Vee's dissection of a modern candy commercial that survived the old Communist regime shows the "conservatism" of the old Communist regimes.
This is correct. Here is their 25 point plan
I hate using the word Centrist because it doesn't make sense in a modern context. They were explicitly a revolutionary party, but they saw themselves as an "all of the good parts" middle-ground between Communism and Capitalism.
Modern connotations of centrism implies that they would have been anti-revolutionary or reformist, but they were openly revolutionary. Hell, it's why they dissolved the constitution, and pledged to due so in their elections.
Their own description of "third way" is actually more apt than "centrist". The framing doesn't make sense objectively, but if you're a socialist who accepts a pure political binary between Communism and Capitalism, it does.
Don't forget antifa running around committing terrorism
That's what I meant when I said that the Communists engaged in an insurrection. Antifa was always a Communist insurgent group, and was actively engaged in massive political street violence at the time, and even long before the NSDAP showed up.
Yeah I'm pretty sure family family-run whore houses and women or children being nothing more than a cheap commodity for foreigners was just "berlin being weird". Kys pedo apologist
It's cute that you think Europe wasn't degenerate when it was always America that had a much stronger religious center since the first settlers.
Even then, you're imposing an modern immigration problem in Germany to where it was in the 20's.
For Fuck Sake, the historical record is pretty clear that even when Bismark was in charge, a whole slew of his cabinet were homosexual. The degeneracy of Berlin was many decades old and only got worse under socialism. Which other socialists (like yourself) used as a weapon to gain power.
It's not like you National Socialists were any better. There was a reason the Nazi Youth organizations kept getting 15 year old girls pregnant, you were just hoping that pregnant girls and a welfare state could give you enough soldiers to fight off the Russians. It wasn't.
I just commented about you posting pedophilia apologism and suddenly you start calling me a nazi assuming who I am and what I stand for while doubling down on it all L O L
Women being shitty people is regularly available in the present day, you retard.
That would require self discipline on the part of the wicked.