People always forget that it really is a coin flip at times if an extreme ideological push in power leads to a reformation (England after Cromwell) or another extreme push to counter (Germany pre WWII)
The crap the left has pushed has pretty much solidified support for the ruling structures in Asia, Middle East and Eastern Europe rejecting this and it's in the West we have to be concerned we might slip too far onto the right.
How? By saying "don't be retards pushing too far in an ideological pursuit of power, you'll only invite an extreme backlash"?
I didn't say "Don't vote for this/don't praise this person/ condemn this person" I simply stated historical context of how extreme ideological pushes have later led to a backlash, England got lucky after Cromwell that there was a path back to traditional values, Germany wasn't.
Which I'm applying to the west currently, I'll be completely honest, this current living generation has nearly destroyed centuries of tradition, values and morality in the space of decades. Even if you in America and Europe all got the current people in power voted out and replaced with "Far right" politicians, it will probably take another century to repair the damage, that is how bad we fucked up. And that's one of the reasons why Putin is really secure, because they still have their traditions and culture, we've been effectively shedding them piece by piece.
"Too far to the right", to the majority of the west, means waiting until a "trans kid" is 18 to sexually mutilate them. It means making women who get drive through second trimester elective abortions pay for it themselves. It means allowing white people into college or a job without having to clear numerous extra hurdles to make up for their innate evil.
The west, as it currently exists, cannot even comprehend the idea of "too far to the right". They think centrism is alt right extremism. So using that kind of language just makes it easier for them to justify staying where we are forever, paralyzed by the fear that preventing our children from watching men fellate each other in public might summon a horde of nazis to kill us all.
I'm not using what our media and politicians call "far right " (as some of my opinions on immigration and self defence would be included in that) I'm taking about from a historical perspective when an overcorrect happens and you just switch which people you choose to target.
If you're talking about the current crop of politicians that can hold office in the west, I haven't gotten any that are actually far right. But history does love to pull up a surprise candidate just when shit really hits the fan and unfortunately the left is shoving that fan into the sewer.
I'm not, my issue with some of them is if I'm talking about actual far right and not what MSM calls Desantis for giving illegal immigrants a free trip, they're basically the coin flip of the far left. Switch black with white, straights for gays and conservatives for Jews practically the same which doesn't help.
As I said before I care more about the plan than what team they are on, take Trump he was essentially Democrat for most of his life but switched to Republican when it would get him power. A lot of his policies are 90s Democrat (even a bit of gun control unfortunately) but he had a plan in place that actually repaired quite a lot of damage, which is why they acted so hard against him and then hit accelerate when he was kicked out if office.
How? By saying "don't be retards pushing too far in an ideological pursuit of power, you'll only invite an extreme backlash"?
The rightward 'shift' will be the extreme backlash.
You think these Antifa types will survive it to have their counter-extreme-backlash? They're mostly barely functional human beings that are only able to carry out acts of petty vandalism because they've got a massive support network that bails them out of jail and/or refuses to prosecute them in the rare instances when they're arrested. And the only reason that stuff happens is because there's systemic support for it.
We're staring at a worldwide economic collapse the likes of which has never been seen before. All it takes is a few days of no food before you get a lot of angry people. And in the US at least, these angry people will have guns. It's not going to be pretty for these comfortable lawyers and politicians who have basically sequestered all of the prosperity to themselves and leave the consequences to the poors.
You think these Antifa types will survive it to have their counter-extreme-backlash? They're mostly barely functional human beings that are only able to carry out acts of petty vandalism because they've got a massive support network that bails them out of jail and/or refuses to prosecute them in the rare instances when they're arrested. And the only reason that stuff happens is because there's systemic support for it.
Antifa won't survive anything in the current years, they'll either be purged by new powers or as the useful idiots they are or probably forgotten into irrelevance left to rot away by themselves. They done what was required of them which is cause division and rile tensions, now they cling for relevance (defending pedo drag shows)
The support behind them is the bigger issue as we all know there is a cancer in the western institutions it's a matter of if it can be cut out like simply shutting down every alphabet agency in the US or if the rot is so deep you actually require a second revolution.
That's if we're lucky, the issue is we maybe electing essentially the opposite side of the coin where it's still ineffectual leaders just saying more good things about white people.
Screw ideology, we need people with a plan and a method to get us out of this shit hole we dug for ourselves, fortunately in America a lot of the ones that the left call "racist, sexist phobes" actually have some planning (reducing immigration, less gun control) but there's some that are RINOs that got in because of red, that's my concern that you focus too much on just getting the opposite you don't examine their actual proposals first.
Let us have an open, honest discussion of ideas and let the best ones win out.
God do I wish that was reality, and appreciate your point. Just from my philosophical and historical leanings, I do pick up on patterns, rhythms of when things seem to repeat. I live by the saying "Hope for the best, plan for the worst" so hopefully my fears of a shift too far are unfounded
In my planing stages, I'm scoping out camp sites, how to build temporary shelters and how to preserve food without refrigeration, already looked up salt pork.
The only way to prevent this is if the moderate left does a better job "policing its own". Unless and until they are able to do this (which they probably aren't, because every time someone attempts it they get declared a "fascist"), a far right reaction is inevitable.
This is Tribal Relations 101: "police your own, because if you don't then we will; and you won't like how we do it"
The right have been good at this, a little too well as some of the legitimate queries regarding certain ethnicities being more represented in crime statistics get lumped in with 'far right'
I think the left that was moderate and police are largely gone, either centrist, libertarian or even gone conservative as they've had enough of the establishment left just ignoring or excusing it. So at this point the backlash is inevitable it's just a matter of what form it will take.
People always forget that it really is a coin flip at times if an extreme ideological push in power leads to a reformation (England after Cromwell) or another extreme push to counter (Germany pre WWII)
The crap the left has pushed has pretty much solidified support for the ruling structures in Asia, Middle East and Eastern Europe rejecting this and it's in the West we have to be concerned we might slip too far onto the right.
It's thanks to people like you that there is no pendulum moving both left and right and instead we have a ratchet that only ever moves us to the left.
How? By saying "don't be retards pushing too far in an ideological pursuit of power, you'll only invite an extreme backlash"?
I didn't say "Don't vote for this/don't praise this person/ condemn this person" I simply stated historical context of how extreme ideological pushes have later led to a backlash, England got lucky after Cromwell that there was a path back to traditional values, Germany wasn't.
Which I'm applying to the west currently, I'll be completely honest, this current living generation has nearly destroyed centuries of tradition, values and morality in the space of decades. Even if you in America and Europe all got the current people in power voted out and replaced with "Far right" politicians, it will probably take another century to repair the damage, that is how bad we fucked up. And that's one of the reasons why Putin is really secure, because they still have their traditions and culture, we've been effectively shedding them piece by piece.
"Too far to the right", to the majority of the west, means waiting until a "trans kid" is 18 to sexually mutilate them. It means making women who get drive through second trimester elective abortions pay for it themselves. It means allowing white people into college or a job without having to clear numerous extra hurdles to make up for their innate evil.
The west, as it currently exists, cannot even comprehend the idea of "too far to the right". They think centrism is alt right extremism. So using that kind of language just makes it easier for them to justify staying where we are forever, paralyzed by the fear that preventing our children from watching men fellate each other in public might summon a horde of nazis to kill us all.
I'm not using what our media and politicians call "far right " (as some of my opinions on immigration and self defence would be included in that) I'm taking about from a historical perspective when an overcorrect happens and you just switch which people you choose to target.
If you're talking about the current crop of politicians that can hold office in the west, I haven't gotten any that are actually far right. But history does love to pull up a surprise candidate just when shit really hits the fan and unfortunately the left is shoving that fan into the sewer.
So why are you against the far right?
I'm not, my issue with some of them is if I'm talking about actual far right and not what MSM calls Desantis for giving illegal immigrants a free trip, they're basically the coin flip of the far left. Switch black with white, straights for gays and conservatives for Jews practically the same which doesn't help.
As I said before I care more about the plan than what team they are on, take Trump he was essentially Democrat for most of his life but switched to Republican when it would get him power. A lot of his policies are 90s Democrat (even a bit of gun control unfortunately) but he had a plan in place that actually repaired quite a lot of damage, which is why they acted so hard against him and then hit accelerate when he was kicked out if office.
The rightward 'shift' will be the extreme backlash.
You think these Antifa types will survive it to have their counter-extreme-backlash? They're mostly barely functional human beings that are only able to carry out acts of petty vandalism because they've got a massive support network that bails them out of jail and/or refuses to prosecute them in the rare instances when they're arrested. And the only reason that stuff happens is because there's systemic support for it.
We're staring at a worldwide economic collapse the likes of which has never been seen before. All it takes is a few days of no food before you get a lot of angry people. And in the US at least, these angry people will have guns. It's not going to be pretty for these comfortable lawyers and politicians who have basically sequestered all of the prosperity to themselves and leave the consequences to the poors.
Antifa won't survive anything in the current years, they'll either be purged by new powers or as the useful idiots they are or probably forgotten into irrelevance left to rot away by themselves. They done what was required of them which is cause division and rile tensions, now they cling for relevance (defending pedo drag shows)
The support behind them is the bigger issue as we all know there is a cancer in the western institutions it's a matter of if it can be cut out like simply shutting down every alphabet agency in the US or if the rot is so deep you actually require a second revolution.
I no longer care.
I want Caesar at this point.
To blazes with a lisping Italian. I want full on Lohengram Dynasty.
Sieg Kaiser Reinhard! Sieg Neue Reich!
There were very specific historical circumstances that allowed for a Caesar and a Napoleon, and they are probably not repeatable.
That's if we're lucky, the issue is we maybe electing essentially the opposite side of the coin where it's still ineffectual leaders just saying more good things about white people.
Screw ideology, we need people with a plan and a method to get us out of this shit hole we dug for ourselves, fortunately in America a lot of the ones that the left call "racist, sexist phobes" actually have some planning (reducing immigration, less gun control) but there's some that are RINOs that got in because of red, that's my concern that you focus too much on just getting the opposite you don't examine their actual proposals first.
The Internet is no place for being reasonable!
God do I wish that was reality, and appreciate your point. Just from my philosophical and historical leanings, I do pick up on patterns, rhythms of when things seem to repeat. I live by the saying "Hope for the best, plan for the worst" so hopefully my fears of a shift too far are unfounded
In my planing stages, I'm scoping out camp sites, how to build temporary shelters and how to preserve food without refrigeration, already looked up salt pork.
do they have these problems in islam?
The only way to prevent this is if the moderate left does a better job "policing its own". Unless and until they are able to do this (which they probably aren't, because every time someone attempts it they get declared a "fascist"), a far right reaction is inevitable.
This is Tribal Relations 101: "police your own, because if you don't then we will; and you won't like how we do it"
The right have been good at this, a little too well as some of the legitimate queries regarding certain ethnicities being more represented in crime statistics get lumped in with 'far right'
I think the left that was moderate and police are largely gone, either centrist, libertarian or even gone conservative as they've had enough of the establishment left just ignoring or excusing it. So at this point the backlash is inevitable it's just a matter of what form it will take.