Re falling back ... honestly, that's the better move from the Russian perspective. If they don't the Ukrainian forces will do to them what the Soviet army did to the Germans - surround and destroy. I don't imagine the Russian army has forgotten how that goes for the guys getting surrounded.
Still, seeing as my taxes are contributing to financing this proxy war, good. This brings the hope it might at some point come to a conclusion.
Still, seeing as my taxes are contributing to financing this proxy war, good. This brings the hope it might at some point come to a conclusion.
Quite the contrary, I think. Since a loss in Ukraine would result in the fall of the regime in Russia, either it will win or everything is on the table - including nuclear weapons.
Since a loss in Ukraine would result in the fall of the regime in Russia
disagree. If there is 1 thing that the last 70 years have taught us, it is that dictatorships are very good at rooting themselves in and keeping populations under control even in times of stress or vulnerability. The only time you see them overthrown is when they are clearly incompetent, like in Libya, but even marginally competent regimes like Syria and Myanmar can hold on. Venezuela's dictatorship destroyed its own economy and barely even got challenged.
either it will win or everything is on the table - including nuclear weapons.
hard core wishful thinking on your part. not going to happen.
Russia has been in a failure state for the past 2 months at least, without being able to take offensive action and getting ground down. If Putin was willing to do anything to win, he would have called up an official mobilization in these past 2 months. Now, it's too late.
disagree. If there is 1 thing that the last 70 years have taught us, it is that dictatorships are very good at rooting themselves in and keeping populations under control even in times of stress or vulnerability
Hell, the West has shown us that in the past 10 years.
The only time you see them overthrown is when they are clearly incompetent, like in Libya
Not sure that was the incompetence...
hard core wishful thinking on your part. not going to happen.
I'm not exactly wishing for myself to get nuked.
If Putin was willing to do anything to win, he would have called up an official mobilization in these past 2 months. Now, it's too late.
Let's see. He may not be willing to do anything to 'win', but 'losing' is devastating. Not gonna happen.
Pushing forward in rain, the III Panzerkorps advanced half of the way to Kupyansk on the first day and began to turn three divisions, with Generalmajor Wilhelm von Apell’s 22nd Panzerdivision in the lead, toward the south. The XLIV Corps seized a bridgehead over the Donets river. During the morning of the following day, however, all along the front between Kupyansk in the north and Izyum in the south, Soviet units were on the march to the east in the direction of the Oskol river. Overrunning some of these retreating units, Generalleutnant Hans-Valentin Hube’s 16th Panzerdivision entered the north-western part of Kupyansk by the fall of night. Late in the afternoon of 24 June, as it drove to the south, the 22nd Panzerdivision met the leading elements of Generalleutnant Erich Diestel’s 101st leichte Division advancing to the north, at Gorokhovatka on the Oskol river to the north-east of Izyum, and 'Fridericus II' had been completed. By 26 June the Germans had cleared the last pockets of Soviet troops, and the 1st Panzerarmee's bag of prisoners in 'Fridericus II' reached 22,800 men.
By now everyone here knows to take what the MSM says with a grain of salt.
Still this specific turn of events is not outlandish since they have the infinite money and arms from the globalist empire cheatcode activated.
Russia's reputation as a strong military has been destroyed completely.
Only person who keeps insisting otherwise is Robert Barnes but he might just be coping at this point since his early predictions about who will win and how quickly they will win have been ridiculously wrong.
By now everyone here knows to take what the MSM says with a grain of salt.
Pro-Russian Telegram channels are confirming this, coping by saying that while territorial losses are dire, they allegedly made the correct military though not political decision to withdraw instead of losing more.
Only person who keeps insisting otherwise is Robert Barnes but he might just be coping at this point since his early predictions about who will win and how quickly they will win have been ridiculously wrong.
I'll take his side. Ukraine heavily outnumbers Russia, it's receiving infinite supplies from the Drag Queen Story Hour empire, intelligence from the collective West.
You have to look at all the factors. Russia was never as strong as people thought, nor as weak as some may think now.
Russia’s strength does not lie in a conflict in which they’ve deliberately tied one hand behind their own back in order to minimize loss of civilian life and infrastructure (versus an enemy that is a proxy for literally the entire West, with all of the media cover that entails).
If you want to see Russia’s full power, look to the energy sector in Europe.
I don’t love Russia. I’m a staunch American nationalist. We are currently under globalist occupation, so I am currently cheering for every sovereign nation who stands against the globalist west. Ukraine, as a vassal state and and money laundering playground for the corrupt American government, is not on the list of “nations” I support.
You know the US has given less than $10 billion in military aid to Ukraine so far, while Russia's military spending is $70+ billion per year against Ukraine's like 5? Almost the entire Ukrainian military force is based on inherited Soviet equipment, with a small amount of domestically produced newer stuff & refurbishments.
The whole "omg the West gave Ukraine all the guns" is a cope. The truth is that something like 95% of Ukrainian equipment is still soviet era shit.
You know the US has given less than $10 billion in military aid to Ukraine so far,
I know there was 40 billion in just one package for that shithole of a country. And since money is fungible, paying off its deficit means it can spend more on weapons.
The whole "omg the West gave Ukraine all the guns" is a cope.
8 years of that, 8 years of NATO training of Ukraine.
I know there was 40 billion in just one package for that shithole of a country.
Yes and almost none of that was for Ukraine military aid. It was just a giant wish list of items for the State Department and to a lesser extent the US military. There was a blank check of about $10 billion to Biden in authorization for future Ukraine aid which he has only used a few billion of so far. So he has enough for about another year at this pace before he would need to ask for more.
8 years of that, 8 years of NATO training of Ukraine.
Very few Ukrainians have been trained by NATO, probably under 5% of their total force. Basically just enough people to use the NATO equipment they're getting.
100% disagree. The US would be able to just walk over any other nation. I don't understand how you can think otherwise. You know we have 50,000 HIMARS rockets, right? You know we have the large majority of the world's actually effective stealth aircraft, right? You know we have the capability to identify and destroy virtually the entire OPFOR military force using solely satellite intelligence + long range GPS guided weapons?
Dude, nobody can even try to stand against us. On top of that, our offensive maneuver units have disgusting amounts of precision firepower, and that's before you consider that US air power can single-handedly destroy any other military on earth.
So no, offensives are not hard. Russia just has a rotted out husk of a military that was obsolete in doctrine and equipment such that it couldn't even defeat a soviet-era opponent. Russia went into this war with a huge air force it couldn't use because no SEAD. A huge tank force it couldn't use because of modern ATGMs, of which Ukraine had a large number even before it got lots of Javelins. & a military that was starved of infantry and overly-mechanized which looks strong on paper but then ends up with major logistics and rear area defense problems.
I don’t really care what happens in Ukraine beyond the fact that it is a globalist vassal state that should be annihilated. The real war is taking place in Europe, and that war is for energy.
With Ukrainians now having reached the city of Kupiansk, where rail lines linking Russia to eastern Ukraine converge, the advance had penetrated all the way to Moscow's main logistics route, potentially trapping thousands of Russian troops.
Natalia Popova, adviser to the head of the Kharkiv regional council, shared photos on Facebook of troops holding up a Ukrainian flag in front of Kupiansk city hall. A Russian flag lay at their feet. "Kupiansk is Ukraine. Glory to the armed forces of Ukraine," she wrote.
In Hrakove, one of dozens of recaptured villages, Reuters saw burnt out vehicles bearing the "Z" symbol of Russia's invasion, and piles of rubbish and ammunition in positions the Russians had abandoned in evident haste.
Re falling back ... honestly, that's the better move from the Russian perspective. If they don't the Ukrainian forces will do to them what the Soviet army did to the Germans - surround and destroy. I don't imagine the Russian army has forgotten how that goes for the guys getting surrounded.
Still, seeing as my taxes are contributing to financing this proxy war, good. This brings the hope it might at some point come to a conclusion.
Quite the contrary, I think. Since a loss in Ukraine would result in the fall of the regime in Russia, either it will win or everything is on the table - including nuclear weapons.
disagree. If there is 1 thing that the last 70 years have taught us, it is that dictatorships are very good at rooting themselves in and keeping populations under control even in times of stress or vulnerability. The only time you see them overthrown is when they are clearly incompetent, like in Libya, but even marginally competent regimes like Syria and Myanmar can hold on. Venezuela's dictatorship destroyed its own economy and barely even got challenged.
hard core wishful thinking on your part. not going to happen.
Russia has been in a failure state for the past 2 months at least, without being able to take offensive action and getting ground down. If Putin was willing to do anything to win, he would have called up an official mobilization in these past 2 months. Now, it's too late.
Hell, the West has shown us that in the past 10 years.
Not sure that was the incompetence...
I'm not exactly wishing for myself to get nuked.
Let's see. He may not be willing to do anything to 'win', but 'losing' is devastating. Not gonna happen.
Speaking of what the Germans did to the Soviets:
https://twitter.com/Januszbazin1995/status/1568289613327785986
https://codenames.info/operation/fridericus-ii/
By now everyone here knows to take what the MSM says with a grain of salt.
Still this specific turn of events is not outlandish since they have the infinite money and arms from the globalist empire cheatcode activated.
Russia's reputation as a strong military has been destroyed completely.
Only person who keeps insisting otherwise is Robert Barnes but he might just be coping at this point since his early predictions about who will win and how quickly they will win have been ridiculously wrong.
Pro-Russian Telegram channels are confirming this, coping by saying that while territorial losses are dire, they allegedly made the correct military though not political decision to withdraw instead of losing more.
I'll take his side. Ukraine heavily outnumbers Russia, it's receiving infinite supplies from the Drag Queen Story Hour empire, intelligence from the collective West.
You have to look at all the factors. Russia was never as strong as people thought, nor as weak as some may think now.
Russia’s strength does not lie in a conflict in which they’ve deliberately tied one hand behind their own back in order to minimize loss of civilian life and infrastructure (versus an enemy that is a proxy for literally the entire West, with all of the media cover that entails).
If you want to see Russia’s full power, look to the energy sector in Europe.
I don’t love Russia. I’m a staunch American nationalist. We are currently under globalist occupation, so I am currently cheering for every sovereign nation who stands against the globalist west. Ukraine, as a vassal state and and money laundering playground for the corrupt American government, is not on the list of “nations” I support.
You know the US has given less than $10 billion in military aid to Ukraine so far, while Russia's military spending is $70+ billion per year against Ukraine's like 5? Almost the entire Ukrainian military force is based on inherited Soviet equipment, with a small amount of domestically produced newer stuff & refurbishments.
The whole "omg the West gave Ukraine all the guns" is a cope. The truth is that something like 95% of Ukrainian equipment is still soviet era shit.
I know there was 40 billion in just one package for that shithole of a country. And since money is fungible, paying off its deficit means it can spend more on weapons.
8 years of that, 8 years of NATO training of Ukraine.
Yes and almost none of that was for Ukraine military aid. It was just a giant wish list of items for the State Department and to a lesser extent the US military. There was a blank check of about $10 billion to Biden in authorization for future Ukraine aid which he has only used a few billion of so far. So he has enough for about another year at this pace before he would need to ask for more.
Very few Ukrainians have been trained by NATO, probably under 5% of their total force. Basically just enough people to use the NATO equipment they're getting.
100% disagree. The US would be able to just walk over any other nation. I don't understand how you can think otherwise. You know we have 50,000 HIMARS rockets, right? You know we have the large majority of the world's actually effective stealth aircraft, right? You know we have the capability to identify and destroy virtually the entire OPFOR military force using solely satellite intelligence + long range GPS guided weapons?
Dude, nobody can even try to stand against us. On top of that, our offensive maneuver units have disgusting amounts of precision firepower, and that's before you consider that US air power can single-handedly destroy any other military on earth.
So no, offensives are not hard. Russia just has a rotted out husk of a military that was obsolete in doctrine and equipment such that it couldn't even defeat a soviet-era opponent. Russia went into this war with a huge air force it couldn't use because no SEAD. A huge tank force it couldn't use because of modern ATGMs, of which Ukraine had a large number even before it got lots of Javelins. & a military that was starved of infantry and overly-mechanized which looks strong on paper but then ends up with major logistics and rear area defense problems.
I hope the Ukrainians can keep this pace and expell these Lada lovers.
Well, I for one hope that the Russians counter-attack and expel the Drag Queen Story Hour Empire lovers.
I don’t really care what happens in Ukraine beyond the fact that it is a globalist vassal state that should be annihilated. The real war is taking place in Europe, and that war is for energy.
Ukraine troops reach railway hub as breakthrough threatens to turn into rout
Large thread with many posts including from russian telegram sources detailing the breaking news of UKR forces capturing Kupiansk and now (just within the last few hours) Izium. https://twitter.com/BarracudaVol1/status/1568563801863094272