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One day later, Ukraine has captured Kupiansk, Izium, and Lyman. Russian forces are routing and falling back without trying to stand and fight for these cities. (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 3 years ago by dekachin 3 years ago by dekachin +7 / -0
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– APDSmith 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

Re falling back ... honestly, that's the better move from the Russian perspective. If they don't the Ukrainian forces will do to them what the Soviet army did to the Germans - surround and destroy. I don't imagine the Russian army has forgotten how that goes for the guys getting surrounded.

Still, seeing as my taxes are contributing to financing this proxy war, good. This brings the hope it might at some point come to a conclusion.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Still, seeing as my taxes are contributing to financing this proxy war, good. This brings the hope it might at some point come to a conclusion.

Quite the contrary, I think. Since a loss in Ukraine would result in the fall of the regime in Russia, either it will win or everything is on the table - including nuclear weapons.

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– dekachin [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Since a loss in Ukraine would result in the fall of the regime in Russia

disagree. If there is 1 thing that the last 70 years have taught us, it is that dictatorships are very good at rooting themselves in and keeping populations under control even in times of stress or vulnerability. The only time you see them overthrown is when they are clearly incompetent, like in Libya, but even marginally competent regimes like Syria and Myanmar can hold on. Venezuela's dictatorship destroyed its own economy and barely even got challenged.

either it will win or everything is on the table - including nuclear weapons.

hard core wishful thinking on your part. not going to happen.

Russia has been in a failure state for the past 2 months at least, without being able to take offensive action and getting ground down. If Putin was willing to do anything to win, he would have called up an official mobilization in these past 2 months. Now, it's too late.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

disagree. If there is 1 thing that the last 70 years have taught us, it is that dictatorships are very good at rooting themselves in and keeping populations under control even in times of stress or vulnerability

Hell, the West has shown us that in the past 10 years.

The only time you see them overthrown is when they are clearly incompetent, like in Libya

Not sure that was the incompetence...

hard core wishful thinking on your part. not going to happen.

I'm not exactly wishing for myself to get nuked.

If Putin was willing to do anything to win, he would have called up an official mobilization in these past 2 months. Now, it's too late.

Let's see. He may not be willing to do anything to 'win', but 'losing' is devastating. Not gonna happen.

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– deleted 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0
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– dekachin [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Speaking of what the Germans did to the Soviets:

https://twitter.com/Januszbazin1995/status/1568289613327785986

https://codenames.info/operation/fridericus-ii/

Pushing forward in rain, the III Panzerkorps advanced half of the way to Kupyansk on the first day and began to turn three divisions, with Generalmajor Wilhelm von Apell’s 22nd Panzerdivision in the lead, toward the south. The XLIV Corps seized a bridgehead over the Donets river. During the morning of the following day, however, all along the front between Kupyansk in the north and Izyum in the south, Soviet units were on the march to the east in the direction of the Oskol river. Overrunning some of these retreating units, Generalleutnant Hans-Valentin Hube’s 16th Panzerdivision entered the north-western part of Kupyansk by the fall of night. Late in the afternoon of 24 June, as it drove to the south, the 22nd Panzerdivision met the leading elements of Generalleutnant Erich Diestel’s 101st leichte Division advancing to the north, at Gorokhovatka on the Oskol river to the north-east of Izyum, and 'Fridericus II' had been completed. By 26 June the Germans had cleared the last pockets of Soviet troops, and the 1st Panzerarmee's bag of prisoners in 'Fridericus II' reached 22,800 men.

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