I am sure people on here already know that I am cutting against the grain of this forum by taking Ukraine's side in the war. But with that said, I have to say:
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU ABSOLUTE BABOONS!!!!
No shit they cut you off! This is war! You dont keep supplying your enemy in the event of a war. Especially if its something vital they rely one and have few options to get from elsewhere. Hey, remember that guy with the heavy tan and weird tupee saying "Hey, Russia is a threat. Maybe you should look for new sources of oil and gas. Like the US."
Oh wait, thats right. I remember those smug European pricks smirking and laughing it up over how dumb he was. So you know what? Let them freeze. And I hope that when they come crawling to us for help, we have someone in power who will tell them to get fucked with rusty barbwire.
The hubris of the elite abounds. But that is why we will win.
Your opinion is incoherent. If it was stupid to expect Russia to continue selling gas and oil to Europe while they fight a proxy war against Russia, then it was also stupid for Europe to advance NATO (and nuclear weapons) to Russia‘s doorstep. In both cases, western hubris assumes that Russia has no right to self-governance or survival.
Russia has no claim to say what alliances Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, etc get to enter into; bordering Russia does not make them part of Russia.
Except that obviously they do have that claim, because look around you. They're claiming it, and what exactly are you going to do about it?
Attempting to build up your (belligerent) alliance up to someone's doorstep, when they have the ability to defend themselves against this, is retard diplomacy.
If a man across a field swings his fist I dont care. If a man 3 feet from me swings his fist I'll tell him to knock it off. If he doesnt the escalation is required. You dont have to wait until you are on the ground bleeding to deal with a reasonable threat.
Are you saying the US should have just said "well we dont like it but cant do anything" when the USSR made moves to arm up Cuba?
Sure. Philosophically that's true. But welcome to geopolitics. Poland already doesn't do what Poland wants to do in this respect. Poland does whatever the US State Department wants it to. The same goes for every other country. You either belong to the US sphere of influence or Russia's (or China elsewhere).
You think Mexico and Canada would be free to join a Russian led anti-United States military alliance?
The real world isn't a moralistic debate about who should or shouldn't have claim to X, Y, and Z, it's a game of raw power. Whoever has it, wields it. Right and wrong doesn't need to factor into that calculus at all.
Exactly. I always see people bring up how its terrible that all these countries joined NATO and that is a threat to Russia. But I never see those same people stopping to ask why they join NATO.
But I suppose it is irrational. After all, none of those nations have histories with Russia. None of them have any reason at all to hate Russia. They definitely werent oppressed for centuries and are now saying "Never again" at the concept of Russian aggression. And If something like that happened, I am sure it would not make them want to join a military alliance for the purpose of protection. It would also have nothing to do with seeing threats of Russian aggression and responding with "Do it pussy! Make my fucking day!"
It really is a mystery why Poland, the Czechs, the Slovenians, the various Baltic states, and others are giving Ukraine just about every weapon that isnt nailed down, with a note attached saying "Give'em hell!"
You don’t shit where you eat. When Ukraine falls, tag you’re it. Nobody wants that musical chair as bullwark against the east. Still doesn’t mean Putins not making the right moves. Sucks, but this order was placed before it was served.
I am sure people on here already know that I am cutting against the grain of this forum by taking Ukraine's side in the war. But with that said, I have to say:
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU ABSOLUTE BABOONS!!!!
No shit they cut you off! This is war! You dont keep supplying your enemy in the event of a war. Especially if its something vital they rely one and have few options to get from elsewhere. Hey, remember that guy with the heavy tan and weird tupee saying "Hey, Russia is a threat. Maybe you should look for new sources of oil and gas. Like the US."
Oh wait, thats right. I remember those smug European pricks smirking and laughing it up over how dumb he was. So you know what? Let them freeze. And I hope that when they come crawling to us for help, we have someone in power who will tell them to get fucked with rusty barbwire.
The hubris of the elite abounds. But that is why we will win.
Your opinion is incoherent. If it was stupid to expect Russia to continue selling gas and oil to Europe while they fight a proxy war against Russia, then it was also stupid for Europe to advance NATO (and nuclear weapons) to Russia‘s doorstep. In both cases, western hubris assumes that Russia has no right to self-governance or survival.
Russia has no claim to say what alliances Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, etc get to enter into; bordering Russia does not make them part of Russia.
Except that obviously they do have that claim, because look around you. They're claiming it, and what exactly are you going to do about it?
Attempting to build up your (belligerent) alliance up to someone's doorstep, when they have the ability to defend themselves against this, is retard diplomacy.
If a man across a field swings his fist I dont care. If a man 3 feet from me swings his fist I'll tell him to knock it off. If he doesnt the escalation is required. You dont have to wait until you are on the ground bleeding to deal with a reasonable threat.
Are you saying the US should have just said "well we dont like it but cant do anything" when the USSR made moves to arm up Cuba?
Sure. Philosophically that's true. But welcome to geopolitics. Poland already doesn't do what Poland wants to do in this respect. Poland does whatever the US State Department wants it to. The same goes for every other country. You either belong to the US sphere of influence or Russia's (or China elsewhere).
You think Mexico and Canada would be free to join a Russian led anti-United States military alliance?
The real world isn't a moralistic debate about who should or shouldn't have claim to X, Y, and Z, it's a game of raw power. Whoever has it, wields it. Right and wrong doesn't need to factor into that calculus at all.
Exactly. I always see people bring up how its terrible that all these countries joined NATO and that is a threat to Russia. But I never see those same people stopping to ask why they join NATO.
But I suppose it is irrational. After all, none of those nations have histories with Russia. None of them have any reason at all to hate Russia. They definitely werent oppressed for centuries and are now saying "Never again" at the concept of Russian aggression. And If something like that happened, I am sure it would not make them want to join a military alliance for the purpose of protection. It would also have nothing to do with seeing threats of Russian aggression and responding with "Do it pussy! Make my fucking day!"
It really is a mystery why Poland, the Czechs, the Slovenians, the various Baltic states, and others are giving Ukraine just about every weapon that isnt nailed down, with a note attached saying "Give'em hell!"
You don’t shit where you eat. When Ukraine falls, tag you’re it. Nobody wants that musical chair as bullwark against the east. Still doesn’t mean Putins not making the right moves. Sucks, but this order was placed before it was served.
I can dig your irony.