I have no idea why this movie is getting a pass from so many people, Critical Drinker and RLM included. It is comically bad and decidedly feminist. I get that expectations are depressingly low these days, but this turd doesn’t deserve nearly so much acclaim.
I was just thinking the other day how far our expectations have fallen.... from regular people to critics, we often rate a modern movie FAR HIGHER than it deserves, because of how shit we expect movies to be in general now.
Vanilla Sky was a fairly amazing, well written, cerebral movie released in 2001 but critics & audiences hated it. Nowadays it’s sorta a cult classic, but back then it was shit on because it had decent competition. If that movie was released now, it’d get all the accolades. You can say the same about numerous movies from the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s.
Same with Jordan Peele’s shitty horror movies. They suck… but because they have this air of pretentious ‘art’ and it’s a Black guy making them, critics adore. It’s a sad state of affairs.
I loved Vanilla Sky. And you are right. Frequently I’ll watch a b movie from the 80s or 90s or some made for TV movie I had forgotten about and it’s brilliant by comparison to a lot we get today. A lot of entertainment today is so obsessed with representation or “the message”. Agree about Jordan Peele. I thought get out was way overrated but I guess I’m in the minority. I kinda feel like if he could a just write stories and shut up about race all the time he would be better. But like you said he is what critics love so he will always get praise. Same thing with female directors
This is definitely true of things like Top Gun as well. People are hungry for something new and good, and are willing to settle for decent.
Its probably a "broken clock is right twice a day" thing but I really enjoyed CODA, the best picture winner. It is a bit formulaic, yes, but it did a magnificent job of showing that family dynamic of "we hate each other sometimes, but we sacrifice for each other without (much) resentment" -- characters are fully fleshed out, even the mother who could have very easily teetered into "dumb jealous bimbo."
I hope that some day we look back on the Marvel Age and see it as the wasteland of originality that it really and truly was.
It's because the Overton Window exists for all things, not just politics.
This very much effects art, and I think it's a good example of what happened in early America and in the Dark Ages in Europe. The cultural artifacts of those time periods were vastly inferior to the cultural artifacts that came before because the europeans were disconnected from Rome (and Rome itself was degenerating), while the Americans were 6 months away from any sort of cultural connection to England.
It wasn't just that weird flat faced art and simple stone statues were a fad in those times, it's that the master artisans, and the capital investment of wisdom into formal knowledge had been lost. When the formal knowledge is lost, then the society has to re-learn how to do certain things. In the Dark Ages, people who lived under Roman Rule literally did not know who built the bath houses they lived next to, what language they spoke, or why they were there in the first place, or even that their great grand parents were the ones who used them.
Under the collapse of the Roman Empire, the societies that had been living under Roman rule, had re-normalized their older traditions because the Romans hadn't integrated them into their systems and institutions enough to actually replicate them. Some Roman villas did survive for a few generations, but an authoritarian system doesn't really allow for it's colonies to survive indefinitely without support. The Overton Window on morality, technology, and art had shifted away from the Empire.
In America, master artisans didn't want to go live in an untamed wilderness that was absolutely surrounded by wolves and Indians. And it wouldn't do them any good because the place was being settled by religious zealots that wanted a heavy emphasis on individual rights, and even spurrned arts. Mark Twain isn't just one of the first great American writers, he's almost one of the only ones that are worth even being mentioned. American literature certainly exists, but the best writing comes from people who were already learning in Europe and came to the Americas. The quality of American-born writers was trash, and nobody really expected it to be good. So, there was a kind of Overton Window shift on the quality of writing being re-normalized to sub-par if it was American colonial.
The SJW's are actually a kind of cultural Vandal that has seized upon the structures of our civilization, and wishes to use it, but doesn't know how. They mimic the aesthetic, but infuse it with their own morals and traditions (what few there are), and don't understand why the occupied people like it. However, it's gone on for so long that people are beginning to just accept that the Vandals are simply not capable of replicating the material we are used to, so we begin applauding them when they make a good facsimile of art every once in a while, because we hope it's a sign that they are learning.
They are not. A parallel civilization must be constructed from the ashes of our own, and the Vandals must be kept at the gates.
RLM liking it surprises you? They've been woke libtard faggots for years, if not the entire time. In the previous 'predator' movie they refused to even say 'retarded' and ranted about the word even being used.
Predator movies are a cursed franchise. 9 times out of 10 you are better off passing it, which is frustrating, because Predators are so cool.. how could it possibly be bad?
I think drinker has a very selective big time payola grift with the studios. He'll hilariously pan most of their stuff but every now and then he'll probably take a big payday to go easy on one.
Plus he's a writer. I expect him to announce that one of his works is being made into a movie by one of the studios he pretends to pan.
He's actually friends with some industry insiders, and he knows that they watch him, so there's an "access media"-esque relationship there. Not quite flattery but he'll give them a pass sometimes. I don't know that he's on the take. What you said about a book to movie option is much more likely.
I have no idea why this movie is getting a pass from so many people, Critical Drinker and RLM included. It is comically bad and decidedly feminist. I get that expectations are depressingly low these days, but this turd doesn’t deserve nearly so much acclaim.
I was just thinking the other day how far our expectations have fallen.... from regular people to critics, we often rate a modern movie FAR HIGHER than it deserves, because of how shit we expect movies to be in general now.
Vanilla Sky was a fairly amazing, well written, cerebral movie released in 2001 but critics & audiences hated it. Nowadays it’s sorta a cult classic, but back then it was shit on because it had decent competition. If that movie was released now, it’d get all the accolades. You can say the same about numerous movies from the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s.
Same with Jordan Peele’s shitty horror movies. They suck… but because they have this air of pretentious ‘art’ and it’s a Black guy making them, critics adore. It’s a sad state of affairs.
lol, remember Black Panther was rated 97/100 while being a generic Marvel movie because "black guy" as you say
Meanwhile fantastic films like Old Henry and Vengeance slip through the cracks, ignored by everyone.
I loved Vanilla Sky. And you are right. Frequently I’ll watch a b movie from the 80s or 90s or some made for TV movie I had forgotten about and it’s brilliant by comparison to a lot we get today. A lot of entertainment today is so obsessed with representation or “the message”. Agree about Jordan Peele. I thought get out was way overrated but I guess I’m in the minority. I kinda feel like if he could a just write stories and shut up about race all the time he would be better. But like you said he is what critics love so he will always get praise. Same thing with female directors
This is definitely true of things like Top Gun as well. People are hungry for something new and good, and are willing to settle for decent.
Its probably a "broken clock is right twice a day" thing but I really enjoyed CODA, the best picture winner. It is a bit formulaic, yes, but it did a magnificent job of showing that family dynamic of "we hate each other sometimes, but we sacrifice for each other without (much) resentment" -- characters are fully fleshed out, even the mother who could have very easily teetered into "dumb jealous bimbo."
I hope that some day we look back on the Marvel Age and see it as the wasteland of originality that it really and truly was.
Vanilla Sky wouldn't get accolades today. Something about virtual sex bots of your crush and whatnot.
It's because the Overton Window exists for all things, not just politics.
This very much effects art, and I think it's a good example of what happened in early America and in the Dark Ages in Europe. The cultural artifacts of those time periods were vastly inferior to the cultural artifacts that came before because the europeans were disconnected from Rome (and Rome itself was degenerating), while the Americans were 6 months away from any sort of cultural connection to England.
It wasn't just that weird flat faced art and simple stone statues were a fad in those times, it's that the master artisans, and the capital investment of wisdom into formal knowledge had been lost. When the formal knowledge is lost, then the society has to re-learn how to do certain things. In the Dark Ages, people who lived under Roman Rule literally did not know who built the bath houses they lived next to, what language they spoke, or why they were there in the first place, or even that their great grand parents were the ones who used them.
Under the collapse of the Roman Empire, the societies that had been living under Roman rule, had re-normalized their older traditions because the Romans hadn't integrated them into their systems and institutions enough to actually replicate them. Some Roman villas did survive for a few generations, but an authoritarian system doesn't really allow for it's colonies to survive indefinitely without support. The Overton Window on morality, technology, and art had shifted away from the Empire.
In America, master artisans didn't want to go live in an untamed wilderness that was absolutely surrounded by wolves and Indians. And it wouldn't do them any good because the place was being settled by religious zealots that wanted a heavy emphasis on individual rights, and even spurrned arts. Mark Twain isn't just one of the first great American writers, he's almost one of the only ones that are worth even being mentioned. American literature certainly exists, but the best writing comes from people who were already learning in Europe and came to the Americas. The quality of American-born writers was trash, and nobody really expected it to be good. So, there was a kind of Overton Window shift on the quality of writing being re-normalized to sub-par if it was American colonial.
The SJW's are actually a kind of cultural Vandal that has seized upon the structures of our civilization, and wishes to use it, but doesn't know how. They mimic the aesthetic, but infuse it with their own morals and traditions (what few there are), and don't understand why the occupied people like it. However, it's gone on for so long that people are beginning to just accept that the Vandals are simply not capable of replicating the material we are used to, so we begin applauding them when they make a good facsimile of art every once in a while, because we hope it's a sign that they are learning.
They are not. A parallel civilization must be constructed from the ashes of our own, and the Vandals must be kept at the gates.
RLM liking it surprises you? They've been woke libtard faggots for years, if not the entire time. In the previous 'predator' movie they refused to even say 'retarded' and ranted about the word even being used.
Jack will remember your comment, and call you an istaphobe on twitter later.
Predator movies are a cursed franchise. 9 times out of 10 you are better off passing it, which is frustrating, because Predators are so cool.. how could it possibly be bad?
I think drinker has a very selective big time payola grift with the studios. He'll hilariously pan most of their stuff but every now and then he'll probably take a big payday to go easy on one.
Plus he's a writer. I expect him to announce that one of his works is being made into a movie by one of the studios he pretends to pan.
He's actually friends with some industry insiders, and he knows that they watch him, so there's an "access media"-esque relationship there. Not quite flattery but he'll give them a pass sometimes. I don't know that he's on the take. What you said about a book to movie option is much more likely.
The bar has been set so low for them that this is a step above it. I mean, I'm sure next to Star Trek Picard, Prey is like a masterpiece.