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Central Banks are trying to force a switch to digital currencies, using the lie that regular cash banking disenfranchises the poor. Banks themselves disenfranchise the poor. (archive.ph)
posted 4 years ago by GeneralBoobs 4 years ago by GeneralBoobs +62 / -0
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– APDSmith 23 points 4 years ago +23 / -0

The key point about digital currencies, from what I can tell, is that the organisation issuing the digital currency still gets to control what it is used for, even after it's issued.

It's less "cash" and more "food vouchers". If your employer decides that your wages aren't to be spent on anything irresponsible like stocks and shares, with digital currencies they can enforce this.

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– SufferableKant 17 points 4 years ago +17 / -0

Correct.

They can control what you spend your money on, who you purchase from, how often you're allowed to do so, and tweak rates and fees to encourage or discourage your spending habits.

You'll be forced to behave in a socially appropriate manner (according to their standards) if you want the privilege of continued access to your money.

I can see it now already: quotas and caps on what you're allowed to spend on based upon your "carbon footprint", which you can temporarily raise by climbing up a tier on your social credit score by using your social media accounts to "organically" parrot promote their ESG goals.

Want to eat meat this month? You better get started shilling for Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity, and hope that it's believable enough that sufficient people hit the Like button for you to rank up.

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– NotAGlowy 14 points 4 years ago +14 / -0

The key reason bankers want digital currencies is so they can implement NEGATIVE interests rates and there would be nothing you can do to avoid it.

(currently interest rates are almost zero in many countries. But they could not go negative or people would withdraw the cash and keep it under their mattress. With CBDC - you wouldn’t have the cash option)

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– Hardcore_Facestab 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

They have done this here in denmark, if you have over (i think) 250k dkr / 38k $. they acrue negative interrest. Not that you would ever see any positive anyway.

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– Smith1980 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

How exactly do negative interest rates work? After your bank scoping trace as a certain amount it loses money?

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– APDSmith 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

Cash or anything else

Again, it's the voucher nature of the stuff. It can just quietly decline to be used for purchase of physical cash, or of fixed assets, or anything that lets you escape this combined vouchers-and-social-credit system that's being built.

I imagine any possibility of currency trading goes out the window as well, for the same reason: You're on ProleBucks™, now go spend what meagre money we've graciously decided to give you on an insect burger, pleb!

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– Smith1980 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

You are right. I never thought of that.

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– lgbtqwtfbbq 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

The "mattress problem" is solvable in paper money with a very simple mechanism: give paper notes an expiration date. Then you solve the negative interest rate problem by having the bank charge an "exchange fee" when you exchange them for new bills.

Then if you want to be a dick about it you make the "exchange fee" punitive to "encourage" people to not use paper money.

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– NotAGlowy 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I personally don’t believe the “mattress problem” is a problem- humans who save and prepare for their future SHOULD be rewarded.

By creating massive amounts of inflation - central banks encourage wastefulness and short term mentality

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– FrostedCricketFlakes 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

It allows them to track every transaction. It allows them to log the location and time of the transaction, if not everywhere a person travels through the app. It allows them to limit where money is spent. It allows them to freeze anyone's monetary capacity completely. It allows them to add or remove from anyone's account (this has been talked about by the UK government). It allows them to enforce carbon limits. It allows them to do anything for any reason with money. They can easily hook this into a general digital ID, which would track everything.

Rome is currently using a "Smart Citizen Wallet" which tracks behavior to reward with discounts or free activities. This is dystopian.

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– Knife-TotingRat 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

Well, they started training everyone for that with their credit cards, which can also control where you shop or what you buy (at least, I heard of them doing this years ago over legal but shady/grey market matters.)

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– FrostedCricketFlakes 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Mastercard has the Doconomy Black card that stops you from spending more money if you exceeded your carbon limit. In the countries they offer it, you can use an online calculator to determine your limit if you use any Mastercard.

Mastercard and PayPal have also been the companies that limit what stores are able to sell. Patreon has it's own issues, but it also had to kick creators because of Mastercard. If a credit card company bans your use, it can cause you to be banned from using other credit cards, like what happened after Majit Nawaz was listed as an Islamaphobe by the SPLC, resulting in him being banned by banking services.

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– GeneralBoobs [S] 8 points 4 years ago +8 / -0

Yep. You will own nothing and be slaves to the corporate entity.

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