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The field of intelligence research has witnessed more controversies than perhaps any other area of social science. Scholars working in this field...have found themselves denounced, defamed, protested, punched, stalked, spat on, censored, fired from their jobs and stripped of their honorary titles (www.gwern.net)
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– Adamrises 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

This is one of those "Moviebob was right" moments, because it was the Nazis who really killed it. Eugenicists were all across the world treated as completely evil people and that we must ignore any and all differences between our births. Which would lead directly into the various gender, race, and gay movements by saying we were born "equal."

One of the earliest "criticisms" of the IQ field, which they think is so telling they consider it self evident of its evil, was that black people were just always well below anyone else. Which meant it was racism and the tests were bad (or the testers).

Then the Nazis took a completely different avenue (more into physical differences) and that meant we had to sink the entire idea of "people aren't equal."

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– TakenusernameA 18 points 3 years ago +19 / -1

The Nazis were made into villains because the new secular religion of Democracy needed a "Satan".

They are the strawman the regime beats when it needs to remind the sheep who's boss.

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– DefinitelyNotIGN 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

When the results of repeated testing do not meet your expectations:

Scientist: "How odd, my expectations must be wrong."

Ideologist: "How odd, my tests must be wrong."

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– Gizortnik 1 point 3 years ago +3 / -2

That was never one of the earliest criticisms of IQ. The problem with IQ in it's earliest form is that it was Progressive psuedo-scientific nonsense that existed to create citiations to affirm a narrative.

It existed to re-enforce the Progressive elite's intellectualist establishment claim that Thomas Malthus was 100% right and all human development would stop if poor people who weren't progressive intellectuals (who were literally the highest form of human evolution) weren't intentionally castrated. [Thomas Malthus is now, has been, and will always be wrong; just as he was when his book came out.]

If Eugenics was operating today, every single person here would be identified as an inherent intellectual inferior because on your IQ test you scored a 35 because you failed to correctly identify the definitions of the 4 waves of Feminism, and you would need to be targeted for chemical castration. You can bet your ass that people would demand you be hauled into the asylum and castrated for polluting the gene pool as an innate biological inferior. Meanwhile, people who believe women can have penises like the academicians do, would be the self-anointed pinnacle of human evolution, and you should respect their desire not to breathe their air. The Progressives are still doing the same shit, they are just using a different pseudo-science because strict Materialism has fallen out of favor with Leftist Intellectuals.

That Nazis took the same avenue, but instead of applying Leftist Intellectuals as innately superior, they asserted that Aryan Germans were the intellectual superiors.

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– Adamrises 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

It absolutely was, as its usage during WW1 was both growingly widespread and being attacked at the time for such.

All Psychology starts as psuedo-scientific bullshit because we literally cannot measure the brain in any real form with our current technology. We can merely scratch at it and hope. This was especially true back then, when Karen Horney was literally putting the permanent rot into the entire field.

Despite this, it made many strides to try and find objective ways to measure intelligence that were not simple "learned to regurgitate public school things" that all other measures used. It wasn't entirely successful, but there was actual movement towards better ways of judging people other than ability to memorize propaganda and equations.

Ideological corruption or abusive wielding doesn't turn something into completely useless, else we would also discard all laws and government entirely too. I do not even need to be pro- on the field to see how its sinking was a very early form of "call it Nazi and cancel it" because it said things they didn't like about women and blacks.

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– Gizortnik 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

It absolutely wasn't, you weren't going to find almost any institutional resistance to racialism in the Progressive Era, because the Progressives seized the institutions and were openly promoting it. It's not like the Republicans under Taft or Roosevelt were out and about demanding the ending of Eugenics to save "the negro". It was an intellectual fad of the time to support eradicating them as a race. Same with Native Americans.

Despite this, it made many strides to try and find objective ways to measure intelligence that were not simple "learned to regurgitate public school things" that all other measures used.

Yes, decades later, well into the 50's. Early on, IQ tests actually had questions I would consider pop-culture based, and that was because it was being used as a political justification to limit immigration, rather than understanding it as a scientific tool, and running off of that. (Because you could limit migration using IQ without being an idiot about it)

Ideological corruption or abusive wielding doesn't turn something into completely useless, else we would also discard all laws and government entirely too.

That depends on the government. A free people have an inalienable right to revolution as necessary.

But beyond that my criticism isn't against IQ in general, it's against it's early history specifically when it was pure psuedo-science.

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