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posted 4 years ago by NihilistCaregiver 4 years ago by NihilistCaregiver +62 / -0
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– realerfunction 12 points 4 years ago +12 / -0

they could have just given up and let the east secede. sure it's a shit option, but war is obviously a worse one.

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– blackestknight 8 points 4 years ago +8 / -0

I don't even know if it's a shit option, they've been shelling their own Eastern province for years. At that point, it would save them money on artillery to let them secede.

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– NigaroFagetsu-kun 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

It would give Russia control of the oil and gas pipelines into Europe. Among other issues, it would make stopping the nord2 an irrelevant bargaining tool.

Edit A post discussing this

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– blackestknight 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

Russia already controls the oil and gas going into Europe, Europe buys a lot of it from him.

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– NigaroFagetsu-kun 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Yes but there are various other pipelines competing for that pleasure. They threw in with an Iranian pipeline a long time ago so they could form OPEC Jr. That way the competition isn't really competing. Controlling Ukraine and Ukrainian pipelines works toward solidifying that control by blocking other pipelines from the south.

Check the links provided to Bidenlikesminers comment.

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– BidenLikesMiners 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

.old link plz?

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– NigaroFagetsu-kun 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Starts discussing pipelines about halfway through, although as I recall, it's a very interesting write up.

Discusses various pipelines and competing national interests; Russia specifically, again at about half way down.

Genie energy returns 873 captures from their website on wayback machine, so I'm sure there's something there; at least about their securities board.

Unfortunately lots has been scrubbed. I used to have a whole file on this stuff circa like 2015, but windows 10 killed that computer and I lost it all.

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– Shill4Hire 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Europe is afraid of green rocks that give off plentiful, safe, cheap energy. So they need the gigatons of coal and oil out of the Ukraine.

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