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Dutch regulators order Apple to allow developers to opt-out of their payment system; Apple responds by making this option expensive and difficult (archive.md)
posted 4 years ago by altmehere 4 years ago by altmehere +42 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice 15 points 4 years ago +15 / -0

Big Tech is more powerful than the average government. We have spent centuries trying to put restraints on arbitrary government power, but there is none on Big Tech power. You just have blind libertardians telling you: THEN USE ANOTHER PHONE. Well, that doesn't stop hundreds of millions using that one, and Apple having a disproportionate amount of power.

One of Biden's few good appointments is Lina Khan, who is cracking down on the Tech Tyrants.

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– when_we_win_remember 12 points 4 years ago +12 / -0

The problem is the government stopped enforcing antitrust. Collusion is a failure mode of free markets. I'm sure there are libertarians that are stupid enough to tell you this is ok, but there are also so-called liberals and so-called conservatives that agree.

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– AboriginalIvory 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

Problem is the government created these regulations that caused the amassed power to occur to a few corporations.

If your trying to blame anything on anything always start with the government and its regulations.

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– when_we_win_remember 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Seems like these corporations control the government with their money. It's a bit hard to tell cause from effect. Most things that stick around are feedback loops, anyways. My moral and practical libertarian view is that free markets are good, and regulatory capture is bad. It seems unreasonable to expect enlightened behavior out of corporations, so I suggest we take back the government.

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– Tourgen 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Who is paying who? Who is scared and building escape bunkers in remote locations? It's not the politicians. I understand the gaslighting is powerful and the truth is hard to see. Just follow the money and watch what they do.

What we have now is fascist central government. Government is directing corporations to do their bidding and help with clearly unconstitutional acts. They use the "it's a private company" diversion and confuse.

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– when_we_win_remember 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Who is paying who?

Both. Corps pay for pols' reelection campaign slush funds, and government buys extensively from corps under "muh commercial off the shelf"

Anyways, I don't know that we disagree on anything, and you seem cool

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– deleted 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Oh god, not this again.

So what's the government regulation that allows Apple to be a monopoly?

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– Kaarous 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Oh god, not this again.

How to expose yourself as a leftist in a single sentence.

So what's the government regulation that allows Apple to be a monopoly?

So are you just being a dishonest liar, or are you actually totally unaware about regulatory barriers to entry in just about every industry? Nevermind the ones that apply across industries like OSHA.

Or hell, healthcare and benefits regulations, those kick in above a certain size too. All intended to handicap non-approved businesses from growing beyond the reach of their local area, all created and endorsed by leftists like you.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

How to expose yourself as a leftist in a single sentence.

Calm down, Adolf, I know you're still mad cause I exposed you as a defender of the Nazi regime a while back.

So are you just being a dishonest liar, or are you actually totally unaware about regulatory barriers to entry in just about every industry? Nevermind the ones that apply across industries like OSHA.

Even by the standard of Nazis, you're quite dumb. It is impossible to argue that Apple is not a monopolist because of 'regulatory barriers'. Other big companies have a hard time fighting against the Apple-Google duopoly.

all created and endorsed by leftists like you.

Wait till you find out about how much control over the economy your approved regimes exercised.

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– altmehere [S] 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

The requirements:

Separate app, only available in Netherlands

Cannot also support IAP

Must display scary sheets before payment

Website links are all to a single URL specified in Info.plist with no parameters

Must submit monthly report to Apple listing EVERY external transaction

Apple's commision:

And after you pay your ~3% to your payment processor, Apple’s 27% commission takes you right back up to 30%.

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– cccpneveragain 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

Everyone still buys Apple's shit though. Because it's cool or whatever I guess. That's really become the problem with everything with these huge companies, they do whatever the hell they want because no significant amount of people will walk from their products anyway.

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– almond_activator 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

In this particular case, most people have the choice of Apple, who sucks, and Google, who sucks worse.

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