Torba is a fucking retard who thinks he can retroactively punish people for a trademark claim he just made. Between that and him banning people for shitposting, I have to assume people who call him "legit" have an IQ of the letter G.
Political action isn't the way you defeat Marxists. They didn't take control by immediately running for political office. They started with the schools and the media. Trads have to start with the family, the rest takes care of itself. (that's not to say that you can't do political stuff too, it's just not the top priority)
Neither can do anything about Marxists. Trads tend to be the MGTOW of the right and leave society for some rural area where it's safe FOR NOW but won't be forever, send their kids to public school due to needing 2 incomes to live these days and buy into or don't call out globalist nonsense at their PTA meetings (IF they even go to them) or churches. Stormfags lack the intelligence to realize whites make up 1% of the world so having a stupid race war would exterminate whites REALLY quickly, they have zero support from the genpop no matter the race and they tend to purity spiral into what white is (Italians, Slavic, Asians and Greek debates) which is navel gazing at this point and serves no purpose.....Not to mention the fact that both sides mock each other, even though they're 99% in agreement but they'd rather sling mud and throw shade than band together and accomplish something aka the apes stronger together logic.
Trads [...] send their kids to public school due to needing 2 incomes to live these days and buy into or don't call out globalist nonsense at their PTA meetings (IF they even go to them) or churches.
That doesn't describe trads, it describes normies. The whole bit about White Nationalists still isn't relevant (even if it's true) because at no point in this comment chain have I or anyone else advocated for White Nationalism as an ideology that can defeat Marxism. I appreciate that you attempted to answer the original question, but I think it's a leap to expect because I suggest that Traditionalism is incapable of defeating Marxism, that I will then propose that White Nationalism can defeat Marxism.
I was replying to both you and 1234. HE mentioned stormcucks aka White Nationalists....Oh, forgot 1 other point. Both Trads and Storms have a SERIOUS issue with grifters and charlatans in their ranks i.e Jack Cucky and Matt Hambeast.
Having values doesn't just make you superior. You need to actually be able to defend your way of life from disruptive forces. Which is where the self labelled "trad" movement fails.
I would dispute this (unless you mean "Just having values"), but agree that it's pointless to have values that don't preserve themselves.
You need to actually be able to defend your way of life from disruptive forces. Which is where the self labelled "trad" movement fails.
What needs to be added to Traditionalism in order to make it a defensible ideology? Or if that's a bad question, what actions do Trads need to take to defend their ideology?
I mean having a value doesn't do anything if it doesn't make a palpable effect on reality. An incel saving himself until marriage is a completely worthless gesture, despite rejecting sexual liberation being a very big value many people hold. In this manner, most people who self label as "trad" aren't actually doing anything but putting on a costume to seem counter-culture and cool.
As for defending it, that's a much more complex question because "trads" are also diverse in terms of what they are trying to do despite my opinion that nearly all forms fail that basic gesture. The Ethan Ralph types are simple degenerates who won't reject much of the modern comforts that create the world they are trying to change. The "return to agriculture" types are simply leaving society entirely, while admirable complete isolation like that has a shelf life until they come looking for you. Most others are simply larpers who fail the same "complains about capitalism on their iphone" test but on the other end.
Or, simply put, most only focus on the small picture and have no real plan, or even philosophical understanding, of the big web that creates the world they are trying to reject. And soon enough that big picture will come for them, and they won't have anything but larp dreams of a shootout to protect their little corner of the world. For so many of them their idea of defending it is "owning the wokies" and calling anyone not them soi/beta/etc so that it seems more powerful, when in reality its mostly a handful of guys circle jerking without any societal momentum.
Its not the ideology that fails, its the people who adopt it being unable to actually commit to it. Like the anti-capitalist who cannot let go of their iPhone, the "trads" cannot let go of the trappings of society enough to actually revolutionize it.
I mean having a value doesn't do anything if it doesn't make a palpable effect on reality.
This is kind of a tautology, but I see your point. "Values" which are are defined by ones external circumstances aren't of consequence. To expand on your example slightly, an incel that adopts/professes the traditional value of "No sex outside wedlock" without attempting anything that might move them toward marriage is merely dressing themselves in an irrelevant ideological robe.
[...] Most [trads] only focus on the small picture and have no real plan, or even philosophical understanding, of the big web that creates the world they are trying to reject. [...] Its not the ideology that fails, its the people who adopt it being unable to actually commit to it. [...] "trads" cannot let go of the trappings of society enough to actually revolutionize it.
I think these theses are generally correct. Without any attempt to work with others and either take over the existing, broken system, or to build a parallel system with which to replace it, traditionalism cannot succeed. And particularly if they intend to build a parallel system, they have to be willing to sacrifice (some of) the comforts of the existing society in order to achieve their goals.
Torba is a fucking retard who thinks he can retroactively punish people for a trademark claim he just made. Between that and him banning people for shitposting, I have to assume people who call him "legit" have an IQ of the letter G.
the only bans he has are on coomer content, what other ban was there?
I don't know what to make of Torba, but why bother with another centralized service when the fediverse exists?
Fence sitter x tradcuck.
Trad is the only way to have a future.
Can Trads actually defeat Marxists though? Everything I've seen has indicated that Trads restrict themselves to ineffective political action.
Political action isn't the way you defeat Marxists. They didn't take control by immediately running for political office. They started with the schools and the media. Trads have to start with the family, the rest takes care of itself. (that's not to say that you can't do political stuff too, it's just not the top priority)
You didn't address the question, you just pulled out a red herring that's disintegrated from overuse.
Neither can do anything about Marxists. Trads tend to be the MGTOW of the right and leave society for some rural area where it's safe FOR NOW but won't be forever, send their kids to public school due to needing 2 incomes to live these days and buy into or don't call out globalist nonsense at their PTA meetings (IF they even go to them) or churches. Stormfags lack the intelligence to realize whites make up 1% of the world so having a stupid race war would exterminate whites REALLY quickly, they have zero support from the genpop no matter the race and they tend to purity spiral into what white is (Italians, Slavic, Asians and Greek debates) which is navel gazing at this point and serves no purpose.....Not to mention the fact that both sides mock each other, even though they're 99% in agreement but they'd rather sling mud and throw shade than band together and accomplish something aka the apes stronger together logic.
That doesn't describe trads, it describes normies. The whole bit about White Nationalists still isn't relevant (even if it's true) because at no point in this comment chain have I or anyone else advocated for White Nationalism as an ideology that can defeat Marxism. I appreciate that you attempted to answer the original question, but I think it's a leap to expect because I suggest that Traditionalism is incapable of defeating Marxism, that I will then propose that White Nationalism can defeat Marxism.
I was replying to both you and 1234. HE mentioned stormcucks aka White Nationalists....Oh, forgot 1 other point. Both Trads and Storms have a SERIOUS issue with grifters and charlatans in their ranks i.e Jack Cucky and Matt Hambeast.
Having values doesn't just make you superior. You need to actually be able to defend your way of life from disruptive forces. Which is where the self labelled "trad" movement fails.
I would dispute this (unless you mean "Just having values"), but agree that it's pointless to have values that don't preserve themselves.
What needs to be added to Traditionalism in order to make it a defensible ideology? Or if that's a bad question, what actions do Trads need to take to defend their ideology?
I mean having a value doesn't do anything if it doesn't make a palpable effect on reality. An incel saving himself until marriage is a completely worthless gesture, despite rejecting sexual liberation being a very big value many people hold. In this manner, most people who self label as "trad" aren't actually doing anything but putting on a costume to seem counter-culture and cool.
As for defending it, that's a much more complex question because "trads" are also diverse in terms of what they are trying to do despite my opinion that nearly all forms fail that basic gesture. The Ethan Ralph types are simple degenerates who won't reject much of the modern comforts that create the world they are trying to change. The "return to agriculture" types are simply leaving society entirely, while admirable complete isolation like that has a shelf life until they come looking for you. Most others are simply larpers who fail the same "complains about capitalism on their iphone" test but on the other end.
Or, simply put, most only focus on the small picture and have no real plan, or even philosophical understanding, of the big web that creates the world they are trying to reject. And soon enough that big picture will come for them, and they won't have anything but larp dreams of a shootout to protect their little corner of the world. For so many of them their idea of defending it is "owning the wokies" and calling anyone not them soi/beta/etc so that it seems more powerful, when in reality its mostly a handful of guys circle jerking without any societal momentum.
Its not the ideology that fails, its the people who adopt it being unable to actually commit to it. Like the anti-capitalist who cannot let go of their iPhone, the "trads" cannot let go of the trappings of society enough to actually revolutionize it.
This is kind of a tautology, but I see your point. "Values" which are are defined by ones external circumstances aren't of consequence. To expand on your example slightly, an incel that adopts/professes the traditional value of "No sex outside wedlock" without attempting anything that might move them toward marriage is merely dressing themselves in an irrelevant ideological robe.
I think these theses are generally correct. Without any attempt to work with others and either take over the existing, broken system, or to build a parallel system with which to replace it, traditionalism cannot succeed. And particularly if they intend to build a parallel system, they have to be willing to sacrifice (some of) the comforts of the existing society in order to achieve their goals.
Found the coomer degenerate.
Handshake.
girls girls, you are both ugly!
LMAO!
Which part did he fence sit?
Do you own stock in GETTR?
Tim Pool is notorious for it.
Gettr is part of TPMG (DWAC) isn't it? So I suppose I do, but that's not the reason, I took my profits there a couple of days ago.