Few hours earlier it was a totally fair game clump of cells. Pretty sick that's where they draw the line. Although I'm sure if pressed on it they'd just extend it to making it totally ok to toss kids in a dumpster as long as it's behind a Planned Parenthood
Have they not argued for it though? I'm not prepared to quote something but I remember hearing about I think it was Virginia wanting ultra late term abortions. I do remember an article last year too where they were trying to confirm a baby had actually been born in a similar case where a woman tossed her kid, supposedly as a defense to murder. Either way I'm obviously not a fan of abortions, mainly just because it seems sick and unnecessary to me.
Why does that matter? We don't have an "unless you are a coward" exception for murder.
Maybe some doctor can explain it to me but can't the vast majority of those "health is in danger" scenarios detectable before a pregnancy occurs? Or at worst case within the first few weeks?
Occasionally bad shit does just happen that makes the need to pick one or the other necessary. Human body is complex so sometimes shit just pops.
But in a lot of cases yes, the woman should have or did in fact know the risks and her feelings came before reality. She believes she had a right to have a baby, no matter the risk to it or anything else. This is especially prevalent of a problem in older women, women whose body has be ravaged by birth control, or simply unlucky illnesses that effected reproductive ability, yet they still believe they have a god given right to own a child.
Thats the kind of thing that would be handled on a case by case basis. But a blanket "health of the mother" exemption might as well say "do whatever you want".
But a blanket "health of the mother" exemption might as well say "do whatever you want".
Only if you're the sort of habitual liar who says men are women, arson is peaceful protest, abortion is privacy and human traffickers are undocumented immigrants. A reasonable person would not accept an unwillingness to follow through on your decisions as a health risk, and unreasonable people should be removed from their positions of authority rather than trying to craft a rule they cannot deliberately misinterpret.
I think we’re at 8 states that have abortions up to and including birth. However this is also a misnomer since most states and regions do not actually report fetus age but range of age. So it is very hard to say for certain how many late term abortions occur when they are all reported as >20 weeks abortions. Almost none report higher than >28 weeks.
I mean, dumpster babies are an American classic in large cities. I’m far more concerned with the atrocities that aren’t as visceral as dumpster babies.
We have them here, literally in my town, of less than 50 thousand people, on the other side of the world, too…
These things are ubiquitous, in the “West. Completely ubiquitous.
Which, I guess, is somewhat surprising, but…
My state just closed the last public-funded abortion clinic, a few years back. You basically have to go interstate to get a legal abortion…
So… This is gonna happen, in all likelihood, unfortunately…
I’d say this is just one of those… Fairly inevitable societal “problems”. And pretty much always has been. 😞
Motherhood isn't any more "instinctual" than fatherhood is, and child abandonment happens in probably every species it's not supposed to happen with. If the interest isn't there, it isn't there. And there's also a thing as just plain bad mothers (and those who would abandon their offspring are pretty much "bad mothers" by definition). We learn how to be mothers by watching our own mother tend to us and our siblings, as well as babysitting as teenager ... oh, wait, that doesn't happen any more.
And it especially happens when the offspring is deformed or retarded (by species standard), like certain famous "feral" children found in the forests .... well, at least it was a way of giving back to nature, and my personal opinion is that it was the original thing behind "sacrifice", before it was twisted into something a lot less .. basic.
But this is why the "angel's cradle" was invented. There's no other way to satisfy that "Yes, I would rather give it up to adoption, but I don't want to interact with anyone while I do it" instinct. But no, can't be anonymous, the Nosey Ones just have to know who you are ...
Well-written, and extremely good points, if rather... Depressing.
I guess that is why this is such a popular "pop culture" trope, from Annie through Disney Star Wars, through Cold Case (as I mentioned elsewhere in the thread, it's a damn good episode), through bloody Stuart Little, of all things...
It's clearly part of the "human condition", as you point out, and as unfortunate as that is... Maybe even part of the "animal condition", more broadly...
It's just unfortunate that "modern society" has to... Intellectualise, institutionalise, and bastardize even this...
That's the problem with bureaucracy, innit? It absolutely just has to get its tendrils into every. single. last. thing...
Also, if we're doing "pop culture recommendations" - Rabbit Proof Fence and Oranges and Sunshine are both very good Australian movies that, uhh, address different aspects of this chit, and the way it impacts upon society, as regards two very different "cultures", both at a similar time in Aus history...
It was a boy after all. I was right about the media covering it up.
Congratulations. Do you want a medal for guessing something that was 51% likely to be the case?
Not the first time a woman chose to try to kill a living baby rather than the "bundle of cells".
...no? Almost nothing happens only once in history.
I never said every woman is evil.
Anyone who will commit infanticide is evil. You just add the bizarre assumption that the only reason for this is that it's a boy, which you haven't substantiateed btw.
I've always said every woman can be evil
Every woman is evil, because women are human and human nature is fallen.
because the feminist ideology demands pretending to be sane
Substantially more likely when it's a mainstream media outlet. Surely you can see that they covered it up deliberately?
But according to feminists, abortion prevents this. They should just admit they like killing.
Well, it's not a bizarre assumption, knowing what women talk about online. I even remember when "is it a girl or an abortion" was a top post on Twitter with very few dissenters. I assume some are so sick they prefer to make the baby suffer even more before it dies.
Never read anything from women's studies? It's good to know your enemy.
Substantially more likely when it's a mainstream media outlet. Surely you can see that they covered it up deliberately?
I have not seen it confirmed to begin with. The gender was likely not revealed by the police. Anyway, the only person on this entire planet who thinks like this is you. There's no need for them to cover it up - or they would.
But according to feminists, abortion prevents this. They should just admit they like killing.
If abortion were illegal, would 0 of the children otherwise aborted be killed in infanticide?
. I even remember when "is it a girl or an abortion" was a top post on Twitter with very few dissenters
And who many actually do that as opposed to talking about it? A rounding error at best. Remember when you made this same claim and then ran for your life when I brought out the live birth stats?
Never read anything from women's studies? It's good to know your enemy.
For those interested in relatively non-pozzed TV shows from like, the mid-2000s, Cold Case still holds up pretty damn well, as a melodrama…
There’s an ep called “The Goodbye Room” (set partly in 1963, I think), which deals with… Well, no exactly this situation, but something similar to the lead up.
It is harrowing… I challenge anyone not to feel… Something, while watching it.
There’s plenty of bodies in dumpster ones, too, including a rural Pennsylvania dancer who was the brother of a famous boxer (1984, I think? Don’t know the title…).
Anyway, point is… Cold Case does a pretty good dramatization of these sorts of scenarios, even if it is a tad melodramatic at times…
Few hours earlier it was a totally fair game clump of cells. Pretty sick that's where they draw the line. Although I'm sure if pressed on it they'd just extend it to making it totally ok to toss kids in a dumpster as long as it's behind a Planned Parenthood
Tell that to Blackface Northam, who kept his career purely because it served women to keep him there.
"We'll keep the child comfortable while the mother makes her decision"
Have they not argued for it though? I'm not prepared to quote something but I remember hearing about I think it was Virginia wanting ultra late term abortions. I do remember an article last year too where they were trying to confirm a baby had actually been born in a similar case where a woman tossed her kid, supposedly as a defense to murder. Either way I'm obviously not a fan of abortions, mainly just because it seems sick and unnecessary to me.
Day of birth abortion is legal in New York.
Why does that matter? We don't have an "unless you are a coward" exception for murder.
Maybe some doctor can explain it to me but can't the vast majority of those "health is in danger" scenarios detectable before a pregnancy occurs? Or at worst case within the first few weeks?
99.9% of abortions are elective procedures. Rape, incest, health of the mother are all bad faith arguments trotted out by leftists.
Occasionally bad shit does just happen that makes the need to pick one or the other necessary. Human body is complex so sometimes shit just pops.
But in a lot of cases yes, the woman should have or did in fact know the risks and her feelings came before reality. She believes she had a right to have a baby, no matter the risk to it or anything else. This is especially prevalent of a problem in older women, women whose body has be ravaged by birth control, or simply unlucky illnesses that effected reproductive ability, yet they still believe they have a god given right to own a child.
Thats the kind of thing that would be handled on a case by case basis. But a blanket "health of the mother" exemption might as well say "do whatever you want".
Only if you're the sort of habitual liar who says men are women, arson is peaceful protest, abortion is privacy and human traffickers are undocumented immigrants. A reasonable person would not accept an unwillingness to follow through on your decisions as a health risk, and unreasonable people should be removed from their positions of authority rather than trying to craft a rule they cannot deliberately misinterpret.
I think we’re at 8 states that have abortions up to and including birth. However this is also a misnomer since most states and regions do not actually report fetus age but range of age. So it is very hard to say for certain how many late term abortions occur when they are all reported as >20 weeks abortions. Almost none report higher than >28 weeks.
It was much better when people were not aware of every atrocity in the world.
I mean, dumpster babies are an American classic in large cities. I’m far more concerned with the atrocities that aren’t as visceral as dumpster babies.
We have them here, literally in my town, of less than 50 thousand people, on the other side of the world, too…
These things are ubiquitous, in the “West. Completely ubiquitous.
Which, I guess, is somewhat surprising, but… My state just closed the last public-funded abortion clinic, a few years back. You basically have to go interstate to get a legal abortion…
So… This is gonna happen, in all likelihood, unfortunately…
I’d say this is just one of those… Fairly inevitable societal “problems”. And pretty much always has been. 😞
Motherhood isn't any more "instinctual" than fatherhood is, and child abandonment happens in probably every species it's not supposed to happen with. If the interest isn't there, it isn't there. And there's also a thing as just plain bad mothers (and those who would abandon their offspring are pretty much "bad mothers" by definition). We learn how to be mothers by watching our own mother tend to us and our siblings, as well as babysitting as teenager ... oh, wait, that doesn't happen any more.
And it especially happens when the offspring is deformed or retarded (by species standard), like certain famous "feral" children found in the forests .... well, at least it was a way of giving back to nature, and my personal opinion is that it was the original thing behind "sacrifice", before it was twisted into something a lot less .. basic.
But this is why the "angel's cradle" was invented. There's no other way to satisfy that "Yes, I would rather give it up to adoption, but I don't want to interact with anyone while I do it" instinct. But no, can't be anonymous, the Nosey Ones just have to know who you are ...
Well-written, and extremely good points, if rather... Depressing.
I guess that is why this is such a popular "pop culture" trope, from Annie through Disney Star Wars, through Cold Case (as I mentioned elsewhere in the thread, it's a damn good episode), through bloody Stuart Little, of all things...
It's clearly part of the "human condition", as you point out, and as unfortunate as that is... Maybe even part of the "animal condition", more broadly...
It's just unfortunate that "modern society" has to... Intellectualise, institutionalise, and bastardize even this...
That's the problem with bureaucracy, innit? It absolutely just has to get its tendrils into every. single. last. thing...
Also, if we're doing "pop culture recommendations" - Rabbit Proof Fence and Oranges and Sunshine are both very good Australian movies that, uhh, address different aspects of this chit, and the way it impacts upon society, as regards two very different "cultures", both at a similar time in Aus history...
Hopefully the ACLU comes running in to defend her civil liberties.
Female chair, it's a good chance.
Of course, the media refuses to say what gender the child is, like we don't fucking know.
Surely, it was not a boy or - in your worldview - the woman who saved him would have thrown him right back, right?
It doesn't say a woman saved him. It says three unnamed people did.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10386061/Horrifying-moment-18-year-old-mother-tosses-newborn-baby-dumpster-Video.html
It was a boy after all. I was right about the media covering it up.
I thought abortion was supposed to prevent this kind of thing.
https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/12kFrp2f5M/abortion-is-legal-in-ny-so-why-d/c
Not the first time a woman chose to try to kill a living baby rather than the "bundle of cells".
I never said every woman is evil. I was implying a media cover up of the motive, and your article arguably proves it.
I've always said every woman can be evil, because the feminist ideology demands pretending to be sane, but not that every woman is.
Congratulations. Do you want a medal for guessing something that was 51% likely to be the case?
...no? Almost nothing happens only once in history.
Anyone who will commit infanticide is evil. You just add the bizarre assumption that the only reason for this is that it's a boy, which you haven't substantiateed btw.
Every woman is evil, because women are human and human nature is fallen.
I never noticed.
Substantially more likely when it's a mainstream media outlet. Surely you can see that they covered it up deliberately?
But according to feminists, abortion prevents this. They should just admit they like killing.
Well, it's not a bizarre assumption, knowing what women talk about online. I even remember when "is it a girl or an abortion" was a top post on Twitter with very few dissenters. I assume some are so sick they prefer to make the baby suffer even more before it dies.
Never read anything from women's studies? It's good to know your enemy.
I have not seen it confirmed to begin with. The gender was likely not revealed by the police. Anyway, the only person on this entire planet who thinks like this is you. There's no need for them to cover it up - or they would.
If abortion were illegal, would 0 of the children otherwise aborted be killed in infanticide?
And who many actually do that as opposed to talking about it? A rounding error at best. Remember when you made this same claim and then ran for your life when I brought out the live birth stats?
I never noticed a feminist pretending to be sane.
Because the wilderness is too far away, and so are the angel's cradles.
For those interested in relatively non-pozzed TV shows from like, the mid-2000s, Cold Case still holds up pretty damn well, as a melodrama…
There’s an ep called “The Goodbye Room” (set partly in 1963, I think), which deals with… Well, no exactly this situation, but something similar to the lead up.
It is harrowing… I challenge anyone not to feel… Something, while watching it.
There’s plenty of bodies in dumpster ones, too, including a rural Pennsylvania dancer who was the brother of a famous boxer (1984, I think? Don’t know the title…).
Anyway, point is… Cold Case does a pretty good dramatization of these sorts of scenarios, even if it is a tad melodramatic at times…