I remember an immigrant from India once told me that he understood that the vast majority of the country is Christian/celebrates Christmas. Even some non believers celebrate it. He said it would be idiotic for someone to go to India and demand that they change their customs to appease them so why should they do it in America. Unless you are being forced to participate then shut up. I’ve seen Muslims celebrate their holidays and Jews celebrate theirs. I’m not a jerk and try to interfere but Heaven forbid someone say Merry Christmas
As an immigrant myself to the western countries, my families don't really celebrate christmas either nor I don't consider myself deeply religious. Yet I can see the harm it brings to the countries promoting secularism. I'm confused and often shocked at the hostility towards religions displayed by media people and atheists in general.
Now if you are forcing someone to worship like in the Middle Ages that’s one thing but outside of that Christmas is a massive part of western culture. They are really trying to stop it. But also I’ve known atheists who celebrate it from a secular standpoint
I’ve known atheists who celebrate it from a secular standpoint
I'd say people in Europe and America that are not religious are like that, they do celebrate it as being together and all that. Japanese people despite very few believing in Christianity, in their own way celebrate Christmas too. I'm not sure of the point hollywood is trying to promote negativity.
At my office, I wish my Jewish co-workers a Happy Hanukkah and they wish me Merry Christmas. Back when I managed a team in India we'd talk to each other about our differing national and religious holidays as we were all curious. I laugh with my current employee who's in Columbia as that they have a lot of national holidays around the summer and he didn't actually know what most of them were about (I started asking out of curiosity after the 3rd one).
Most Americans are quite reasonable about these things, though I'll admit we're mostly ignorant when it comes to non-western religions. That secular atheism and it's hostility is a minority opinion, but it's unfortunately been dominant among those who consider themselves as "elites" in our society.
He's right and that's actually what this author wants. I feel like OP didn't get past the headline.
She's asking people to stop being inclusive. If you want to celebrate Christmas, fine, celebrate Christmas. Don't try to pull Jews into Christmas by calling it the "holiday season". It's fucking Christmas, so celebrate Christmas. The inclusivity is just a veneer and is actually more offensive than excluding them from a holiday they don't celebrate anyway.
It's actually a pretty fucking based take, if for the wrong reason.
Gotta disagree with you somewhat. It's a nation that used to have a very strong Christian influence, but we specifically founded our nation without an official nation due to memories of how the Protestant vs Catholic tensions led to wars and state-sanctioned persecution.
I'd also note that as a Christian, we've been doing a rather awful job in the US since at least the 80s. Rather than advocating for a theocratic state I would challenge a fellow believer to ensure they themselves have their life as in-order as is possible, actually read your Bible and study it, and live a live that serves as an example to others and prompts them to wonder what's different about you.
Why do jews in general hate christmas? Muslims or other religious groups don't show this much hate. They only respond when their religion gets targeted. Why do most jews (and I'm not including jewish people that converted to christianity) seem to show disdain for christmas? I'm genuinely confused.
Why do the people who killed Jesus hate his birthday? It's a mystery!
I'm not even religious. I'm strongly agnostic. I'm just seeing this shit from the sidelines and thinking "wow, Jews really do hate Christmas".
If you want a more elaborate explanation, best I've been able to piece together is a two-pronged strategy of intense nepotism/tribalism for their own combined with pathological sabotage of the dominant demographic. The goal is to outcompete and control the pre-existing majority by subverting and condemning traditions, conventions, and natural survival instincts. Immigration is the ultimate weapon, but it's a double edged sword; gotta pump the brakes before you turn the host nation into an Islamic shithole where no one feels bad about the Holocaust.
Anyways, the important thing to remember is that leftists live on the slippery slope. It's right in the name: progressive. Initially, they wanted to make Christmas a generic holiday season that is shared by everyone - much like America is now a "proposition nation" that belongs to the whole world instead of, you know, a regular ass nation that belongs to the people who founded it and their progeny. So the "Holiday Season" is no longer Christian. Right now you're seeing the next step in their progression: inclusion and tolerance aren't enough - Christmas must be cleansed from the Holiday Season. That's the only way non-Christians will ever feel welcome.
Oh, and one quick little addendum: my Jewish holidays should not be touched. You can't integrate or alter our Jewish traditions because they are important to us and define us as a people. This is totally different than Christians and Christmas. Anyone who says otherwise is clearly an anti-semite.
The goal is to outcompete and control the pre-existing majority by subverting and condemning traditions, conventions, and natural survival instincts. Immigration is the ultimate weapon, but it's a double edged sword; gotta pump the brakes before you turn the host nation into an Islamic shithole where no one feels bad about the Holocaust.
So in a way it's like the twisted version of survival of the fittest?
Initially, they wanted to make Christmas a generic holiday season that is shared by everyone
To be honest, I didn't have much problem with that either but after that, everybody with enough brain cells would have noticed the increasing hostility towards western religion. I couldn't get the clear answer out of the atheists why they hated it except thinking religious people are stupid believing in fairy tales. Now we have crazy fucks believing in moloch and satanism high in the upper echelon and typical atheists straight up ignore that conveniently.
After looking at various information and documents, I unironically believe all the leaders partaking in the globalist schemes have skeletons in the closet. Not saying he is a saint but Vladimir Putin came out of the shitshow clean. Any motherfuckers critical of him, I can instantly guess where his ideology lies. It's really funny, you can see the pattern right away.
The Romans wanted to release Jesus, but the Jews clamored for the release of known hardened criminal Barabbus instead, condemning the innocent man to death.
Hmmm, where have I heard such stories recently? 🤔🤔🤔
They aren't "Jews in general." The leftist Jews you see trying to ruin Christmas are the same ones who cry about how mean Israel is to the genocidal terrorists next door.
Muslims or other religious groups don't show this much hate.
Muslim terror attacks against Christmas and Easter don't ring any bells?
The leftist Jews you see trying to ruin Christmas are the same ones who cry about how mean Israel is
Because diaspora jews also swallow cultural marxism as religious dogma when it was only meant to brainwash average white people. Like Bezmenov said cultural marxism has been taught to generation of people to think patriotism is wrong and think in idealistic way, so even young liberal jews in their dogmatic view think it's racist for Israel to treat Palestinians like that. But it doesn't matter what they think, at the end of the day, they still have a place to go back to as long as Israel stays the way it's been (But recently it fell victim to globalist hoax which is another topic for the day).
Muslim terror attacks against Christmas and Easter don't ring any bells?
They are called extremists for a reason. Beside muslims don't mean only middle eastern people, that also includes South Asian countries like Indonesia and Bangladesh, so with that many numbers of muslims, surely there must be some extremists that only revel in violence to spread their message. I don't blame muslim terror attacks against Christmas and Easter on terrorist as a result, I blame the motherfucking leaders that promote multiculturalism and brought the outsiders in while KNOWING there were radical muslims while they live in comfort with the multiple bodyguards.
Loud angry minority with a bullhorn in my experience. I've know quite a few Jewish people, have several friends who are Jewish and most of them are either indifferent or just enjoy the holiday season.
Why do jews in general hate christmas? Muslims or other religious groups don't show this much hate.
Jews believe Jesus is a heretic burning in hell.
Muslims believe Jesus is the 24th prophet sent by god, second only to Mohammed, the 25th, final, and greatest prophet, and that he resides in heaven with him.
Honestly, if it weren't for the circumcision, Islam would probably get tons of converts from Christianity.
Islam is pretty incompatible to western countries, though. And the apostasy is a deal breaker. The only reason it looks attractive to me is it deals very harshly with any subversive elements like progressive politics so mainstream media avoid fucking with it for good reason. That's probably why they make every excuses in the book to goad US to war with middle east in my opinion.
It means recognizing that we live in a Christian country and just dealing with it.
Well, it's difficult for me to argue with that sentiment. She is less angry about Christmas and more angry about the christmasization of Hanukkah.
Unfortunately for her (and everyone else who values their own culture), she's fighting a losing battle. Christmas is fun, Hanukkah isn't, and winter is miserable. Thus, most of her fellow Jews are going to embrace the christmasization of Hanukkah because they're bored and want fun.
This is not a fringe group; this is a huge portion of our community. The 2021 Pew Research Study found that fully 42% of married American Jews have non-Jewish spouses, 61% of those married since 2010.
I know one of those couples. Guess what's in their window right now? Christmas lights.
Yep. A Jewish friend of mine practices Christmas w/ his kids b/c he doesn't want them missing out on toys and fun. I got him a menorah tree-topper that he thought was hilarious. His wife just rolled her eyes at me =P
Christmas itself is a blatantly pagan celebration lurking underneath a hastily cobbled mask of monotheism.
The christianization of europe couldn't kill the celebration, and that menorah tree topper is ultimately no more ridiculous than an angel - they're both semitic monotheistic symbols slapped ontop of blatant germanic paganism.
My first thought when I saw Old Navy’s new “Happy ALL-idays” commercial was: How clever, I can’t believe nobody came up with that term before. Then I watched it.
First you see the T.V. personality Keke Palmer emerging from a chimney in a Santa hat. “Expecting someone else?” she asks cheerily. “Ho-ho no! It’s the ALL-idays, and we are all about it!” What are these ALL-idays, you ask? Well, they look a lot like Christmas.
There’s also a token menorah on the hearth in the background, holding not candles but bulbs in blue and white but also red and green. [...] I don’t want ALL-idays. I want to light my menorah, make my latkes, and spend Christmas eating Chinese food and going to the movies without hearing another word about this fake holiday “season.”
I have a “holiday season” — just not in December. Ours is, frankly, much more of an authentic “season” — a month-long journey from Rosh Hashanah through Yom Kippur to Sukkot. That’s a great time to tell me “Happy Holidays” or, better yet, “Chag sameach.” You want to celebrate ALL-idays? How about letting my kids make up the pottery class they missed on Kol Nidre? How about not scheduling the science fair for the day after Passover Seder?
Tema, like me, went to public school, and she mentioned that her mom “made a whole big fuss” that the Christmas concert should be a holiday concert. “It was still Christmas songs, until they threw in that dreidel song,” she recalled.
I took the article differently. She is mad that they are trying to create a generic winter holiday to combine Christmas and Hanukkah. She’s right. Christmas is it’s own thing. Really it is an attempt to dilute Christmas as much as possible.
Good point, I do agree that corporate bullshit of "holidays" instead of Christmas is absolutely stupid and just another symptom of the shitty political correctness of the west. Especially when by "holidays" they just mean "Christmas, but we don't want to use that word because it's Christian".
I didn't get to the part about cancelling a concert and that sounds bad, but I 100% agree with what I read. The liberal, patronizing all-inclusive "happy holidays" thing is ignorant and insulting. Hanukah isn't the the big holiday to Jews that Christmas is to Christians. It's just "Jewish Christmas" and acting like it is is ignorant and insulting. Saying "Merry Christmas" instead of "happy holidays" is better and more respectful than pretending that Hanukah is just Jewish Christmas.
So I'm sure I disagree with person on damn near everything but I totally agree on that: just admit that Christmas is Christmas and let's all have a merry one and let people who don't do Christmas just do their own thing.
I remember an immigrant from India once told me that he understood that the vast majority of the country is Christian/celebrates Christmas. Even some non believers celebrate it. He said it would be idiotic for someone to go to India and demand that they change their customs to appease them so why should they do it in America. Unless you are being forced to participate then shut up. I’ve seen Muslims celebrate their holidays and Jews celebrate theirs. I’m not a jerk and try to interfere but Heaven forbid someone say Merry Christmas
As an immigrant myself to the western countries, my families don't really celebrate christmas either nor I don't consider myself deeply religious. Yet I can see the harm it brings to the countries promoting secularism. I'm confused and often shocked at the hostility towards religions displayed by media people and atheists in general.
Now if you are forcing someone to worship like in the Middle Ages that’s one thing but outside of that Christmas is a massive part of western culture. They are really trying to stop it. But also I’ve known atheists who celebrate it from a secular standpoint
I'd say people in Europe and America that are not religious are like that, they do celebrate it as being together and all that. Japanese people despite very few believing in Christianity, in their own way celebrate Christmas too. I'm not sure of the point hollywood is trying to promote negativity.
At my office, I wish my Jewish co-workers a Happy Hanukkah and they wish me Merry Christmas. Back when I managed a team in India we'd talk to each other about our differing national and religious holidays as we were all curious. I laugh with my current employee who's in Columbia as that they have a lot of national holidays around the summer and he didn't actually know what most of them were about (I started asking out of curiosity after the 3rd one).
Most Americans are quite reasonable about these things, though I'll admit we're mostly ignorant when it comes to non-western religions. That secular atheism and it's hostility is a minority opinion, but it's unfortunately been dominant among those who consider themselves as "elites" in our society.
Whoa whoa cool it with the antisemitism
He's right and that's actually what this author wants. I feel like OP didn't get past the headline.
She's asking people to stop being inclusive. If you want to celebrate Christmas, fine, celebrate Christmas. Don't try to pull Jews into Christmas by calling it the "holiday season". It's fucking Christmas, so celebrate Christmas. The inclusivity is just a veneer and is actually more offensive than excluding them from a holiday they don't celebrate anyway.
It's actually a pretty fucking based take, if for the wrong reason.
Thanks. I didn’t look at it that way.
America is a Christian nation.
As a Christian nation it should only allow reverence of the Christian holidays by public offices.
Gotta disagree with you somewhat. It's a nation that used to have a very strong Christian influence, but we specifically founded our nation without an official nation due to memories of how the Protestant vs Catholic tensions led to wars and state-sanctioned persecution.
I'd also note that as a Christian, we've been doing a rather awful job in the US since at least the 80s. Rather than advocating for a theocratic state I would challenge a fellow believer to ensure they themselves have their life as in-order as is possible, actually read your Bible and study it, and live a live that serves as an example to others and prompts them to wonder what's different about you.
Apologies if I'm overly preachy there.
Why do jews in general hate christmas? Muslims or other religious groups don't show this much hate. They only respond when their religion gets targeted. Why do most jews (and I'm not including jewish people that converted to christianity) seem to show disdain for christmas? I'm genuinely confused.
Why do the people who killed Jesus hate his birthday? It's a mystery!
I'm not even religious. I'm strongly agnostic. I'm just seeing this shit from the sidelines and thinking "wow, Jews really do hate Christmas".
If you want a more elaborate explanation, best I've been able to piece together is a two-pronged strategy of intense nepotism/tribalism for their own combined with pathological sabotage of the dominant demographic. The goal is to outcompete and control the pre-existing majority by subverting and condemning traditions, conventions, and natural survival instincts. Immigration is the ultimate weapon, but it's a double edged sword; gotta pump the brakes before you turn the host nation into an Islamic shithole where no one feels bad about the Holocaust.
Anyways, the important thing to remember is that leftists live on the slippery slope. It's right in the name: progressive. Initially, they wanted to make Christmas a generic holiday season that is shared by everyone - much like America is now a "proposition nation" that belongs to the whole world instead of, you know, a regular ass nation that belongs to the people who founded it and their progeny. So the "Holiday Season" is no longer Christian. Right now you're seeing the next step in their progression: inclusion and tolerance aren't enough - Christmas must be cleansed from the Holiday Season. That's the only way non-Christians will ever feel welcome.
Oh, and one quick little addendum: my Jewish holidays should not be touched. You can't integrate or alter our Jewish traditions because they are important to us and define us as a people. This is totally different than Christians and Christmas. Anyone who says otherwise is clearly an anti-semite.
So in a way it's like the twisted version of survival of the fittest?
To be honest, I didn't have much problem with that either but after that, everybody with enough brain cells would have noticed the increasing hostility towards western religion. I couldn't get the clear answer out of the atheists why they hated it except thinking religious people are stupid believing in fairy tales. Now we have crazy fucks believing in moloch and satanism high in the upper echelon and typical atheists straight up ignore that conveniently.
After looking at various information and documents, I unironically believe all the leaders partaking in the globalist schemes have skeletons in the closet. Not saying he is a saint but Vladimir Putin came out of the shitshow clean. Any motherfuckers critical of him, I can instantly guess where his ideology lies. It's really funny, you can see the pattern right away.
Technically the Romans were the ones who actually killed Jesus.
The Romans wanted to release Jesus, but the Jews clamored for the release of known hardened criminal Barabbus instead, condemning the innocent man to death.
Hmmm, where have I heard such stories recently? 🤔🤔🤔
They aren't "Jews in general." The leftist Jews you see trying to ruin Christmas are the same ones who cry about how mean Israel is to the genocidal terrorists next door.
Muslim terror attacks against Christmas and Easter don't ring any bells?
Because diaspora jews also swallow cultural marxism as religious dogma when it was only meant to brainwash average white people. Like Bezmenov said cultural marxism has been taught to generation of people to think patriotism is wrong and think in idealistic way, so even young liberal jews in their dogmatic view think it's racist for Israel to treat Palestinians like that. But it doesn't matter what they think, at the end of the day, they still have a place to go back to as long as Israel stays the way it's been (But recently it fell victim to globalist hoax which is another topic for the day).
They are called extremists for a reason. Beside muslims don't mean only middle eastern people, that also includes South Asian countries like Indonesia and Bangladesh, so with that many numbers of muslims, surely there must be some extremists that only revel in violence to spread their message. I don't blame muslim terror attacks against Christmas and Easter on terrorist as a result, I blame the motherfucking leaders that promote multiculturalism and brought the outsiders in while KNOWING there were radical muslims while they live in comfort with the multiple bodyguards.
Loud angry minority with a bullhorn in my experience. I've know quite a few Jewish people, have several friends who are Jewish and most of them are either indifferent or just enjoy the holiday season.
Jews believe Jesus is a heretic burning in hell.
Muslims believe Jesus is the 24th prophet sent by god, second only to Mohammed, the 25th, final, and greatest prophet, and that he resides in heaven with him.
Honestly, if it weren't for the circumcision, Islam would probably get tons of converts from Christianity.
Islam is pretty incompatible to western countries, though. And the apostasy is a deal breaker. The only reason it looks attractive to me is it deals very harshly with any subversive elements like progressive politics so mainstream media avoid fucking with it for good reason. That's probably why they make every excuses in the book to goad US to war with middle east in my opinion.
Well, it's difficult for me to argue with that sentiment. She is less angry about Christmas and more angry about the christmasization of Hanukkah.
Unfortunately for her (and everyone else who values their own culture), she's fighting a losing battle. Christmas is fun, Hanukkah isn't, and winter is miserable. Thus, most of her fellow Jews are going to embrace the christmasization of Hanukkah because they're bored and want fun.
I know one of those couples. Guess what's in their window right now? Christmas lights.
Yep. A Jewish friend of mine practices Christmas w/ his kids b/c he doesn't want them missing out on toys and fun. I got him a menorah tree-topper that he thought was hilarious. His wife just rolled her eyes at me =P
Christmas itself is a blatantly pagan celebration lurking underneath a hastily cobbled mask of monotheism.
The christianization of europe couldn't kill the celebration, and that menorah tree topper is ultimately no more ridiculous than an angel - they're both semitic monotheistic symbols slapped ontop of blatant germanic paganism.
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I didn't even catch the "all-days" aspect, I thought it was just lazy speech considering the other catch-phrases in that awful commercial.
I took the article differently. She is mad that they are trying to create a generic winter holiday to combine Christmas and Hanukkah. She’s right. Christmas is it’s own thing. Really it is an attempt to dilute Christmas as much as possible.
Good point, I do agree that corporate bullshit of "holidays" instead of Christmas is absolutely stupid and just another symptom of the shitty political correctness of the west. Especially when by "holidays" they just mean "Christmas, but we don't want to use that word because it's Christian".
Elves, grinches, the very same thing.
I didn't get to the part about cancelling a concert and that sounds bad, but I 100% agree with what I read. The liberal, patronizing all-inclusive "happy holidays" thing is ignorant and insulting. Hanukah isn't the the big holiday to Jews that Christmas is to Christians. It's just "Jewish Christmas" and acting like it is is ignorant and insulting. Saying "Merry Christmas" instead of "happy holidays" is better and more respectful than pretending that Hanukah is just Jewish Christmas.
So I'm sure I disagree with person on damn near everything but I totally agree on that: just admit that Christmas is Christmas and let's all have a merry one and let people who don't do Christmas just do their own thing.