Do you think there is a way to reverse the societal trend where people who claim to be victims and or offended seem to get rewarded and woe unto anyone who tries to make them see reality. What is really sickening is seeing people be lauded as heroes for the most nonsensical things like believing you are the opposite sex, being a millionaire while claiming to be oppressed, or talking about how fat you are to thunderous applause.
I really think to massively overused words today (besides racist) are victim and oppressed. Definitely takes away from actual victims or oppressed people in the world who get zero recognition.
I know some think I am naïve for believing it but I am a firm believer in judging by the content of character and looking at the individual. I think everyone should have equal opportunity. Yes, that means certain groups will be overrepresented and certain ones will be underrepresented. Such is life. Perhaps that would force some people to look at behavior instead of jumping to the victim mentality safety blanket.
Granted that would be if I could wave a magic wand, but I am a bit more pessimistic. Do y'all think there is any way to reverse this trend? I have had a little luck dealing with individuals but more failures than success.
"Don't feed the animals"
Literally, don't feed them.
I made a leftist cousin mad when I explained that concept
I wish you were wrong but I don’t see another way
The problem is society rewards people who play victim, at least the ones in favored castes. In that sense people are responding to incentives and those incentives need to change for the behavior to change in any big way. How to change those incentives is the million dollar question.
The woke retards on social media are a lost cause. They're worthless empty people who live for likes and attention on social media, and woke bullshit is a first class ticket to getting that. Someone who's just in a shitty situation and thinks it's because of some kind of bullshit oppression might be salvageable. They need to be made to realize they might get validation from leftists by playing up their intersectionalist cred and whining about how hard they have it, but it won't fix the real problems in their life. They're not gonna get laid, get a good job, make enough to afford a place that isn't in the ghetto, etc by wallowing in self pity. In the end they need to look at their situation logically and make a plan on getting where they want to go, wherever that is. If they do that they'll realize that playing victim will only get in their way.
Yea that is the hard part. Removing the incentives
Not without getting rid of the Non Aggression Principle. The NAP is the foundation of victim-hood, as the NAP essentially says that the first person to attack is in the wrong, and the victim can ask those around to attack the first person in return. This leads to a strategy where no one can act without first convincing those around that they have been attacked, regardless of the truth of the situation. To stop the victim mentality all of society must shift to a "might makes right" mentality, and that is a step that few are willing to make.
In truth, Tabula Rasa, and the NAP are the cause for most of the ills in society because they simply are not the way the universe works. The universe only cares about what survives, and the first to attack is more frequently the survivor because action beats reaction. Essentially, the NAP is an emergent phenomenon and not a fundamental law. Similarly Tabula Rasa has no basis in reality, as evidenced by the fact that most non-warmblooded animals are not taught anything by their parents. The innately know how to breathe, run, fly, swim, hunt, and fuck at a genetic level. It isn't taught to them, as frequently their parents can be 8000 miles away, as in the case of most sea turtles, or salmon.
The further away from natural laws a society "progresses", the more extreme the problems. The weak ruling the strong, and the duplicitous ruling the honest is about as far from equilibrium as a society can get, but here we are.
I don’t want to be violent if I don’t have to but I see the point you are making
Violence is not innately evil. It is simply a tool and as such can be used judiciously or it can be misused.
The NAP would theoretically prevent a group from invading the pedotopia next to them, where there is a culture of grooming and industrial scale "consenual" child sex. Sometimes it is immoral not to violently impose your will on the neighboring community.
More people need to be punched in the face.
Not necessarily attacked, but more people need to have experienced the sensation of being punched in the face. People who do not have this life experience tend to be severely lacking in perspective in my estimation.
I know what you mean. Good point
Not as long as society incentivizes being a victim, no. That's probably not going to happen unless some really terrible things happen to that society that no one wants to happen.
One must be careful speaking of "equality of opportunity", for it is a thin end of the wedge that the leftists use. It goes like this:
After enough years of that having been the predominant mode American society has operated under, the left now makes two "slights of hand":
The former creates so many "disadvantaged" groups as to make "equality of opportunity" and "equality of outcome" equivalent for all practical purposes, and latter makes the two concepts themselves logically equivalent.
But that is impossible (the perfectly fair society they clamor for). Life is a lottery and some people are born into better circumstances than others. As a Christian I was taught to help the poor and less fortunate, but that can mean many things and encouraging a victim mentality or entitlement mentality is not helping. People need to realize there will always be those who have it better than you.
I understand your point. It is very easy to fall into that trap but at some point people have to realize if they are so concerned about the less fortunate they need to use their own resources to help. Not wait around for government
Not until women lose the right to vote and own property. And that wont change until the collapse.
My grandfather used to say it was a mistake letting women vote
As Yuri said, stop giving money to subversives.
Avoid paying them, pollute their meta data.
But I can’t speak as a collective. That is just as silly as a white person apologizing to a group of black ppl today for slavery.
I get that point but doesn’t that also allow someone to avoid personal responsibility?
Oh. I understand. I always appreciate your posts. Very cerebral
You know that woman who tweeted about her son developing myocarditis after she had him vaccinated? She was starting down the road to victimhood, but that impulse was quickly superceded by her allegiance to the vaxx cult. I think it might be possible to disingenuously promote a culture that is even more insane and regressive than victimhood culture. And when that nonsense inevitably collapses, the culture will be malleable. At that point, it might be possible to shatter victimhood culture, too; when the vaxx cult collapses, there's no reason we would simply revert to the previous standard quo.
Only when we give them free plane tickets to china.
I think you mean free helicopter rides... "to china"
Envy is a problem inherent to humanity. This will always crop up. You can and should lessen it by separating the races and then even trying to divide by other ideologies within those races. but even then you'll have this issue. but as it is now, with the differences being so stark between certain groups and the truth unutterable, the only thing you're allowed to say is that they're victims, not genetically different. Equal opportunity is dependent on forcefully taking resources away from others, in forcing others to associate with those they don't want to and stems from the mistaken belief of multiculturalism/gender egalitarianism. Again, separate the races and you can stop worrying about a lot of this, even the feminism, which is spurred on by certain cosmopolitans.
You make good points but I’m not separating the races unless they want to. As you know I’m black but I have plenty of white friends I get along great with. However I think voluntary ethno states would be fine. I just wouldn’t want to force people