One my good friend's and his wife usually do a cookout and have a little party for every season of Stranger Things. He asked if I would be going this year and I said no. He actually has gotten tired of the show but his wife still wants to watch. I thought the second season was worse but still didn't annoy me until the third season. I have reached a point of being so tired of the "girls who are much better than men" trope that is in everything and to top it off, they have the "insert unnecessary lgbt character"
I remember reading that she was supposed to be added as a romantic subplot for the reformed jock (makes sense for a show paying homage to the 80s) but then they decided to subvert expectations. So I would imagine the next season the four original boys will be background characters so the girls can shine. Also, that little sister was annoying, but of course the critics raved and said that lesbian character was the best one.
Too many shows these days outstay their welcome, even if they start out good. Westworld, True Detective, etc. even ignoring the encroaching wokeness shows like this just run out of ideas.
I think it should be more like they do with British shows; plan it out, just have the whole series be only one or two seasons and then end it at the right time, nobody wants to see a show that used to be good shuffle off and become a zombie.
Breaking Bad is the only drama I can think of that doesn't either get canceled or crawl up its own ass.
I feel like season 5 Breaking Bad did kind of suck though.
S01-S04 Walt could be seen as pretty much justified in his choices; it was him or them, he was providing for his family and that's what a man does - a man provides.
But even back in 2013 it wasn't acceptable for a man to provide so he has to ham-handedly say it was never for them, he's working with literal nazis, and nobody can profit from drugs (because drugs bad) so they have to needlessly kill side-character Andrea, and so on.
You can say that's just a continuing evolution of his character, but it seems like a mad scramble to unwrite the previous four seasons to post-hoc remove justifications for his actions because people had accepted those as positives (self-defense, david vs goliath, guile/ingenuity).
I agree, they later said that the whole series was always meant to be a case study of how an audience can be conditioned to support an immoral character, and the producers wanted to test how far they could push him before most of the audience stops supporting him - with S5 being when most people broke. Walt was always the bad guy.
I found that hard to believe with some of the story beats, and the unpredictable nature of TV productions.
What I'm getting at is that what the writers believed was evil wasn't actually what actual people agree is evil.
A man providing for his family isn't evil, but to a woke it's the evil patriarchy.
They set out to see how evil they could make him, but they actually found out how tragically heroic they could make him. Does he make even a single decision out of malice? I can't think of any - until season 5. Walt isn't even the same character in S1-S4 and S5, and there's no explanation for it other than the show ending.
Well, that explains why I couldn't make it past the first season, because that's exactly what it came across as.
This is my problem with these shows and I think maybe the true brainwashing: getting people to sympathize with evil. Providing for your family by selling drugs isn't noble, it's evil from the get go.
That's exactly what it's about.
It's why the villains monologue about BLM (the ghetto bastard in Black Panther) and communist utopian ideology (Thanos) several MONTHS before those became the default setting for NPCs around the globe.
They've all been trained to "identify with the villain" to the point they think any story that doesn't have an identifiable villain is badly written. And of course, they excuse almost any evil as long as it was done by the guy they "identify" with. Which is just proactively excusing themselves from any evil they might do themselves.
Breaking Bad needed to end the second Hank learned. The song and dance after had a few great moments, but if the show ended right there, it would have been a pretty kino final shot.
I think I read somewhere that Breaking Bad was written in it's entirety, with the ending already planned before the pilot ever even aired, and they stuck to it. That's why it was so good.
They made lots of big changes. Jesse was supposed to be killed by Tuco in the first season for instance.
I think it was good because of smart writers, but also because it was at the time the only thing AMC had going for it (still the crown jewel after Walking Dead). The show had all the power and the network couldn't step in and make bullshit hollywood changes. Gilligan really had them over a barrel. "Make Walt have a gay sex scene with Jesse" and Vince is like "fuck off" - probably happened hundreds of times.
Dr Who has always been shitty due to it's shoestring budgets.
They need to get rid of the concept of series, PERIOD. If you have a long story to tell, just pitch how many episodes you want to do it in, and none of this cancelling in mid-story bullshit. I'm getting seriously sick of that.
Unfortunately money talks, so even in countries were series aren't common, like Japan, a super-popular story will get the producers insisting on a season two or at least a special. Even when it doesn't make sense in context of the story. At least it's rare. That's still better than what we get here where multiple seasons are expected.
Good point. I love British shows. They used to know good writing
I didn't even bother with S2 even though it looked ok. I could already see how they were trying to hook the audience in with the sorta cliffhanger in S1 and noped outta that. I prefer my stories one and done.
The good news is if you've seen season 1 you've already seen most of season 2 and just about all of season 3 already
Nothing shocked me more than watching an anime and the show being only 20 episodes long. Especially a massive hit anime that's widely regarded as one of the best. And what was more shocking is that wasn't an outlier, sure some animes go on for 40-60 episodes, and others plod along to triple digits of filler, but that a show can tell its story, move through its characters plotlines, and then just simply conclude at the peak...
The first season of Stranger Things told a full story. They shouldn’t have made any more.
They forced (/pressured) that red haired girl to kiss a black. It’s absolutely disgusting.
Also it’s a stupid series.
Interracial dating doesn’t bother me but they do have an obsession with it nowadays. I didn’t know she was forced to do it.
Interracial dating is a disaster for society and individuals. It creates huge amounts of misery. If you don’t understand that now you’re either very stupid or deliberating fooling yourself.
I’m not 100 percent black. I got white/Asian/Native American. I’ve seen good and bad interracial couples. Not a big deal to me. I’m only on this earth for a max of about 100 years. Then I move on to Heaven.
I do see that there is an obsession with it on tv but it doesn’t bother me personally. People can live how they want whether I like it or not.
If you support sin and don't care about destruction then you move onto hell. You have to care about right and wrong and it's effects on the world you'll leave behind, otherwise you never supported goodness and you're damned. People cannot live however they want, certainly not when violating the rights of others, but even when they don't, when they're sinning without infringing, they're still hurting society and themselves. You might not be able to stop them, but you should definitely not shrug it off as people can live however. Interracial marriages tend to be less stable, aside from the very rare white male black female ones, which have lower risk of divorce than white male, white woman. That leaves kids growing up in broken homes and all the increased negative outcomes that go with it. Multiracial societies (where one race isn't the gross majority) don't exist save for a very short time, and they will be chaotic while they do. They create social distrust and breakdown. Worse still the race mixing destroys the average IQ and will ultimately drop those countries into third world status never to come out, look at South America. You also have increased incidence in mental illness when the two groups breeding are farther away, genetically from each other, so redhead and black. it's not good for the people, or society. I appreciate you being mixed may make you want to say different, but that doesn't change the fact that it isn't good. That they are pushing it to destroy Western society, to do evil, it should bother you, evil should bother you.
I don’t see where it is a sin though. As a Christian I know I should marry a fellow Christian. I don’t see it as evil since pretty much everyone has some sort of mixture of race or ethnic group. I personally don’t see anything wrong with it. There are bigger issues at work. Now people shouldn’t be shamed for wanting to only date their race which only white people seem to get attacked for that.
I do agree with you completely that there are forces at work that want to destroy western civilization
I agree they are pushing it which is ridiculous but I’m not going to harass interracial couples.
I only got three episodes into that show and had no idea what anyone saw in it. Like it wasn't aggressively bad or anything - just nothing to hook me. Nothing happened. I moved on. Glad I didn't invest more time in it just to have it come to that.
But don't feel bad. The same dumb SJW shit is ruining seemingly all new movies and TV shows these days. There's nothing wrong with strong females, gay characters, etc. etc. if they are well written. The problem is these days its like they are doing it to check boxes off a list, and have no ability to actually write a unique thought-provoking script if their life depended on it.
I’d say a good gay character was Warehouse 13 and Torchwood because the story came first. Now with Torchwood I fast forwarded through gay romance scenes. Now something that focuses solely on the gay aspect isn’t something I’d watch but I think most would say that. But a murder mystery with a gay detective where the focus is on solving the crime? Absolutely
Jack wasn't supposed to be "gay". He was omnisexual, which is a VASTLY different thing (and more in line with what his rival was into, lusting after the poodle). Not that I approve of that nonsense either, but the faggots went and appropriated Jack as some kind of fag hero while patently ignoring the "OMNI" part of his 55th century sexual bullshit.
The showrunner under whom Jack was introduced actually wasn't into the prog bullshit - the whole thing with the mixed couple in Gridlock was meant to show how absurd sci-fi sexual freedom is. And yes, I AM talking about the box of kittens.
Exactly! Warehouse 13 was a great show. The gay character got developed properly - being gay wasn't his main trait. In fact, that didn't come up overtly for like, half a season. And by the time the "reveal" happened if you want to call it that, there had been enough subtle hints along the way, we all knew. They could have dove further into developing that character, had the show continued, and I don't think anyone would have complained.
Heck... They even got away with genderbending a historical figure on Warehouse 13! In a way that, again, made total sense. Because the writers of that show had this thing called talent. Its crazy. (Specifically trying to avoid spoilers on this one, i could gush about it for paragraphs, lol.)
I just figure I've been spoiled by things over the years. Specifically, watching a lot of Sci Fi shows. Star Trek, Farscape, Stargate, etc. - A lot of sci fi has been doing all these things sensibly for like, 50-60 years. Now everyone else is ham-fistedly trying to catch up.
"Let's blow a hole into another universe to try to exploit the denizens there, and get all shocked and indignant when they react in a hostile manner."
That too. Lol.
Currently reading the LOTR trilogy. A few chapters into fellowship
I love those books but I hope you know what you're getting into. Paragraphs upon paragraphs of scenery-building. Peter Jackson didn't have to come up with creative designs for characters and locations because Tolkien already described everything in beautiful detail. He is the anti-GRRM. :)
Robert Jordan: You've got to bump those numbers up! Those are rookie numbers!
Ha! I actually finished WOT series this past spring.
Can't understand this post, description of the stitching of all the clothes in the room seems to be missing.
You also failed to describe the exact layout of the tavern and what wood was used to make the tables.
Give me a few days. Lol
How was it reading it straight through? I've heard the mid-series slog isn't so bad when you don't wait 2 years for each book.
It is a bit of a slog but was good enough to keep my attention. I am a power reader so I liked going straight through. I would’ve hated waiting for each book.
I have no problem with detail. I remember hearing that GRRM wanted to subvert Tolkien’s tropes
Didn't he also paint pictures too? Tolkien i mean. I'm sure there was some art book of his I wanted to buy. I've only read "The Hobbit", so I'm not sure if the descriptions match his painting, match the movies.
Yea I like Fillion and watched the Rookie. Got tired of the sjw talking points and my final straw was when his professor got death threats. I was like if this is about white supremacists I’m done. Haven’t looked back ever since.
I know. That was very stupid. Sadly those moronic college students weren’t too far off from the real thing
I have to believe the network forces those stupid talking points. That show was a good at first.
I gave up on that show a while back. Comic books were good and ended well. But I’m not surprised. That showrunner is very woke.
I thought at first these shows were caving under pressure from being so popular the first season, to add more women and diversity the next. but now I kind of wonder if maybe they are doing it to hook you so you'll watch at least one more season and get a bit of propaganda. I really enjoyed the first season of ST, the second I really hated the addition of more girls, especially the edgy Indian Chick, just seemed lame. Haven't seen the third. I hadn't minded them coasting a lot on 80s nostalgia and Stephen King, because the first season was so well made. but now it seems increasingly like they're running on the love fans had for past seasons. It's hard to replicate the success of a really good season, maybe it was also just lack of talent, or ideas that failed. But it's sad that people can't seem to keep a show going anymore, and that like movies, they seem to have to be these big box office successes and nothing less will do, you'll get cancelled.
So many shows now seem to love the bait and switch tactic
True she was a good character but I guess I’m tired of the ads a gay character for no reason plot points. Those two would’ve been a great couple.
As a fellow lifelong fan of Sci fi I know like you do that there are a lot of great female characters but it seems now they are written to show how much better than men they are. Why not have men and women work together
That's precisely WHY they did it.
They do this a lot with likable, attractive female characters. Introduce them, possibly build up a relationship with another male character where you think they have good chemistry, and then have her drop the bomb that she's not "into dudes".
CW is notorious for that in their shows.
It's part of the "Progressive" cult mentality of using media to strip men of the idea of being able to attain a likable female because she's not interested in men.
It's the exact same kind of psychology that they use to push the myth that gays make up 20%+ of the population that has led a lot of people astray into thinking they're a huge part of the population, even though they're a tiny fragment.
Persistently inculcating men to think that attractive, smart, or enjoyable females are unattainable because they're lesbians is a demoralization tactic. Combine that with the gender divide, the war on men, the rise of TikTok and OnlyFans culture, and you can see how keeping this message pervasive will psychologically stunt a lot of people in how they approach heterosexual relationships over the next two generations.
It goes hand in hand with the "all the good guys are married or gay" trope of the previous generation.
Exactly.
This fed the notion to women that they shouldn't approach seemingly "nice" guys because they might be gay or married. And instead of encouraging kids to build up confidence through communication skills (which should be a mandatory course introduced in the K-5 grades instead of college courses), education systems have encouraged people NOT to engage. This has been especially prevalent with men, where they're told talking to women is "harassment".
I remember guys being confused and asking on Twitter how are they supposed to know if they should talk to a woman if talking to her without her permission is considered harassment? The SJWs gave a circular answer saying that the woman needs to give them permission to talk to her, which of course isn't possible unless you first engage with the woman. As ridiculous as this all sounds, this is how young people are being taught to engage, or rather, disengage.
I never thought of that but you are absolutely right.
Yea I didn’t mind at first till it seemed to happen in every show. I watch a lot of older stuff too. My general rule is to watch or read stuff from 2014 and prior