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FYI: The creators of Brave Browser now have a search engine. (search.brave.com)
posted 4 years ago by Isolated_Patriot 4 years ago by Isolated_Patriot +44 / -0
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– Ralt 21 points 4 years ago +21 / -0

I actually switched to Brave because I was sick of playing the adblocker game and Brave seems to perform as well as u-block origin but I don't have to keep fucking with it, and comes with about as sane privacy defaults as hardened firefox.

Also switched to their search, they support shebangs just like DDG, so it was insanely easy to swap.

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– Isolated_Patriot [S] 17 points 4 years ago +17 / -0

Yeah, I was pretty impressed with "Shields" that's why I kept it when I first tried it during beta.

596,925 Trackers & ads blocked, 10.40GB Bandwidth saved, 8.3hours Time saved

^ I like that part too.

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– Isolated_Patriot [S] 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

I've been using brave for four years I think? Since it was in beta and hardly anyone had heard of it.

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– monkebrau 16 points 4 years ago +16 / -0

First two results on brave search are to the ADL and the SPLC: https://i.imgur.com/SJWhZs6.jpg

they really outrank everything? Amazon, instagram, etc??

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– monkebrau 16 points 4 years ago +16 / -0

Looks like the brave results are identical to googles: https://i.imgur.com/UgqjKve.jpg

Google really is freaking shameless. "We don't have our hand on the scales". They are 100% publishers not a platform.

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– Assassin47 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

If we could get a government with guts (or even a company) to sue them for antitrust and they were forced to disclose source code and search algorithms in court I think we would be amazed to see all the manual settings and filters they have in place.

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– throwawayaccount2037 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

Someone already leaked some of the code to Project Veritas years ago and it's exactly as you stated. They rig the results and shape the algorithm based on what they do and don't want you to see, complete with illegal blacklists.

Plus, the court system is corrupt as they recently threw out some Facebook cases related to their very obvious anti-trust violations committed by the company: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/technology/facebook-ftc-lawsuit.html

The exact same thing would happen in a Google anti-trust suit.

Big Tech is literally bigger than the law.

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– Auntie_Mildred 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

They work hand-in-hand with the government. No politician would be stupid enough to go after the deep state's toys.

Social media is another scheme along the lines of the Five Eyes. The US government isn't "technically" suppressing people's rights, so it's not "technically" illegal.....

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– Assassin47 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

I agree with this. There's a reason we've had no major anti-trust lawsuits in two decades. Especially during the Obama admin, the government decided to use corporations as tools ("partners") instead of fighting them. Anti-trust is now just "the stick" to get them to cooperate.

You may recall right before the election, ZeroHedge and Forbes reported rumors that the FBI was drafting findings from an anti-trust investigation against Alphabet. I believe they floated that story to make sure executives would follow through with the post-election plan to silence opposition.

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– Isolated_Patriot [S] 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

Found out about it a week or so ago, and surprised it isn't being mentioned more. It's full featured, doesn't censor, and doesn't support terrorists like DDG.

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– Eldourado 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

and doesn't support terrorists like DDG.

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– Isolated_Patriot [S] 20 points 4 years ago +20 / -0

https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_employer=duckduckgo&two_year_transaction_period=2020&min_date=01%2F01%2F2019&max_date=12%2F31%2F2020

Oops, did I say terrorists instead of Democrats again? Not really a mistake.

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– deleted 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0
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– Isolated_Patriot [S] 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

It suffers from the 'playskool' syndrome where there's too much fucking white space and too many icons and shit..

Uh, what?

It's a search bar with the brave logo. It doesn't fit the google "artsy" design at all. Did you... search for google artsy stuff?

https://search.brave.com/search?q=random+search&source=web

^ looks like a list of results to me. Unless you somehow mean the flat design known as web 2.0 that everyone uses? That's not the faux-postmodern-art look, since there are no icons anywhere.

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– Ralt 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

He's talking about Modern Web Design and he's completely correct.

To create a "hip" website nowadays people are convinced that the majroity of the screen should be completely empty.

A perfect example is old reddit versus new reddit. Just look at it and look at how many wasted pixels there are in new reddit. How much "empty space" is between everything. (I know, sorry for recommending to load up reddit at all, but their design is explicitly relevant to this)

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– deleted 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0
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– Ralt 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

Yes you are correct, it is definitely the rise of fucking mobile that influenced this shitfuck design.

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– Isolated_Patriot [S] 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

He didn't actually talk about "modern web design" he specifically called out "icons everywhere" when there are none.

Search pages have always been a blank page with a search bar. Until Google started loading it with propaganda "art" and propaganda "news," which people hated. Now this search page is back to form with just a search page and just results, and it's "copying google?"

That's a ridiculous complaint.

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– Ralt 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

If you don't see way too many icons on the brave side and literally the same overall design between the two websites in this screenshot, I don't know how to continue this conversation. They're both 95% empty space and Brave's results are splattered with icons. I'm a fan of Brave, but the idea that their design doesn't deserve the same criticism that all bullshit corporate art styles deserve is nonsense.

https://imgur.com/a/QHoSd4c

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– deleted 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0
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– Ralt 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

DDG donates to less than ideal groups is what he's referring to I believe.

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– deleted 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0
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– rantanon9145 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

Presumably it's mirroring google and just deleting some tracking data or rerouting it.

Brave Search is based on Tailcat, which has its own Index: https://brave.com/brave-search/

Brave sucked when it became a Chrome fork too.

Brave was technically speaking always a Chrome-fork, but they switched their platform from Electron (a framework built on top of chromium) to Chromium itself

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– Assassin47 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

It's in beta. They are only mirroring google where they haven't indexed enough results already. Once they get enough results for a term, they switch to their own index.

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– Isolated_Patriot [S] 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Where do you expect them to pull the information from? The entire internet is filled with wokeness and all the repositories a search engine would draw from are tilted towards the marxist rewriting of history.

You'd have to design a search engine that was equally biased in the opposite direction to actually get decent results. Or just filter out all results less than five years old.

Or, people have to actually start talking about something other than black inventors again to get the results you want. Since the artificial dialogue is only about black inventors, that's what any search algorithm would return. No matter who wrote it.

No one is writing a "great American inventors" article in the current decade that doesn't try to erase white men, so that's the kind of information we have to dig through. Until someone designs a search engine to detect and then ignore wokeness, this is a problem much, much bigger than biased search algorithms.

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– deleted 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

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