I miss the days when the concern was focused on more generic pollution like companies dumping industrial waste in the rivers and such. Now no one gives a shit about rivers of plastic and chemicals freely flowing all over Asia, but somehow the first world where that's mostly been heavily punished is the biggest worstest threat to the environment.
Not quite. They have a smaller number because their economy is smaller. But population is not the relevant measurement there. It should be divided by GDP - because what you want is the greatest amount of production for the lowest amount of pollution. If you live in caves, you're not going to cause much pollution either.
The environmental cultists also never gave much of a damn about the extreme pollution taking place in the USSR. Funny how all these cultists never give a damn about what they purport to stand for, unless it's something they can burn down the west for.
I mean, 'We're doomed' has been repeated regularly over the last 50 years and has yet to manifest in any conceivable way, they just move to the next big lie. You can't blame some people for going 'It's a hoax, and will blow over the last six times.' when Chicken Little is still screaming his head off about it.
Yeah, we could stand to pollute less and conserve more, but I'll be damned if I ever take CC's data at face value.
What made me most skeptical about the AGW/CC narrative is that all the solutions offered were political, and really excellent solutions that work right now, like nuclear power, were actively suppressed by the same "recommendations".
It's a cult. If they actually believed that CC is an existential threat, they would be pushing nuclear power despite their misgivings. France mostly has nuclear power, and it is yet to blow up.
You can't blame some people for going 'It's a hoax, and will blow over the last six times.'
Betting against catastrophe is always a good idea, but conclusively asserting that it's a "hoax" with absolutely nothing to back it up is also pretty absurd.
Yeah, we could stand to pollute less and conserve more
We could always pollute less and 'conserve' more. The problem is that at the present, it's being pushed way past the point of vastly diminishing returns. But for most people, it's just a religion - putting plastic in a separate garbage bin is their good deed of the week.
but I'll be damned if I ever take CC's data at face value.
There is not really a uniform set of 'data' that we can speak about. I think 'the data', such as it is, is valid to the extent that such models can be, but the presentation often is not. In newspapers, it often takes the most alarmistic scenarions, presents it as a certainty, and then ends up with people dismissing the whole thing as a hoax when the predictions turn out to be false, as always.
I would recommend Michael Shellenberger's book to anyone interested in the thing. Though I don't know whether he can be trusted either. That is part of the problem, all of this stuff is so inscrutable, and the 'experts' so morally and intellectually bankrupt, that one is forced to either believe politicized anarcho-primitivist 'experts' on one side, or those 'experts' funded by Exon (as the saying goes) on the other side, or into agnosticism. The fanaticism with which people advocate positions of which they have no clue at all whether they are correct, on both sides, is something that bothers me. At least have the balls to acknowledge that you don't know. As I don't.
Betting against catastrophe is always a good idea, but conclusively asserting that it's a "hoax" with absolutely nothing to back it up is also pretty absurd.
Remember how we were supposed to be underwater in 12 years? The hole in the o-zone layer to destroy us all? Melting polar ice caps? There may have been some nuggets of truth hidden away in them, but frankly, calling them a hoax is being gentle. 'Directed lies to seize assets' would be closer to the truth.
We could always pollute less and 'conserve' more. The problem is that at the present, it's being pushed way past the point of vastly diminishing returns. But for most people, it's just a religion - putting plastic in a separate garbage bin is their good deed of the week.
Few arguments there, I was thinking more along the lines of all these stupid masks getting put into recycle bins and pushing for more items to be made from locally recycled material instead of cheap plastic from China.
There is not really a uniform set of 'data' that we can speak about.
Fair, I wasn't communicating clearly there. "Any information about CC published by mass media and/or that push for political control rather than targeted improvements" won't be taken at face value. If it shows up in a science magazine, it's a maybe. If it's a published paper, I'll at least humor the idea and see if it remains internally consistent. If it comes from a politician's or celebrity's lips, I would rather eat fresh vomit than accept it.
That said, I can't blame those that just go 'It's a hoax' still. Because after fifty years of Chicken Little screaming for attention, you either tune him out or you become the next Chicken Little.
Remember how we were supposed to be underwater in 12 years? The hole in the o-zone layer to destroy us all? Melting polar ice caps? There may have been some nuggets of truth hidden away in them
No, alarmists have no nugget of truth to offer whatsoever. None of this nonsense was backed by "the scientific consensus" that they always brag about. It's mostly pushed by the media. and activists.
'Directed lies to seize assets' would be closer to the truth.
Depends on who you are talking about. The alarmists, that is correct, but that wouldn't make the whole thing a hoax.
I was thinking more along the lines of all these stupid masks getting put into recycle bins and pushing for more items to be made from locally recycled material instead of cheap plastic from China.
The funny thing is that this will likely use up more resources than just importing them made from cheap plastic from China. Why that is 'sustainable', no one knows.
"Any information about CC published by mass media and/or that push for political control rather than targeted improvements" won't be taken at face value. If it shows up in a science magazine, it's a maybe.
I agree with that, although I will say that science 'magazines' are generally propaganda outlets. What is semi-respectable is the science journals, but even they are being increasingly corruptetd by IDPol.
If it comes from a politician's or celebrity's lips, I would rather eat fresh vomit than accept it.
Yes, that is a very good reason to be skeptical of that - and any other 'crisis' pushed, which generally are completely bogus and advanced by people who want to increase their own power.
Midwits take things at face value. The wise see everything the way it actually is; in terms of narrative. The climate is always changing and human development has negligible effects. The narrative behind it is like all other narratives propogated by the Globo Homo elites, to grab more power.
It is negligible. Whether it's wet or dry or hot or cold all weather conditions are always blamed on climate change. The weather channel freaks out if there's a below average hurricane season (climate change reducing hurricanes), an average hurricane season (climate change causes hurricanes) or an above average hurricane season (climate change is causing more hurricanes), and this is the narrative all the time from all institutions. The reason this is pushed, is so the globo homo elites can cripple the people by depriving them of the only cheap reliable source of energy - fossil fuels (how many times have you heard of goals of reaching "carbon nuetral?". Carbon Dioxide is not harmful to the environment at all. It is like saying water is harmful for fish... Look up the Club of Rome. This all is a bogus hoax and has been for a long time.
Whenever it's too wet or too dry or too hot or too cold it's always blamed on climate change.
That has no bearing on the validity of the original thing.
The reason this is pushed, is so the globo homo elites can cripple the people by depriving them of the only cheap reliable source of energy - fossil fuels
That is certainly a reason why it's exaggerated and there is so much alarmism. It doesn't invalidate the original thing though, same for the virus whose existence you also deny.
This all is a bogus hoax and has been for a long time.
You didn't explain how one determines that someone is a member of 'the wise'.
I love that the "debate" on CC goes on between two sides that have the IQ of a tadpole: "we're doomed" vs. "it's a hoax".
I miss the days when the concern was focused on more generic pollution like companies dumping industrial waste in the rivers and such. Now no one gives a shit about rivers of plastic and chemicals freely flowing all over Asia, but somehow the first world where that's mostly been heavily punished is the biggest worstest threat to the environment.
MUH PER CAPITA
never mind the fact that of course they're going to have a smaller number when you divide by 2 billion
Not quite. They have a smaller number because their economy is smaller. But population is not the relevant measurement there. It should be divided by GDP - because what you want is the greatest amount of production for the lowest amount of pollution. If you live in caves, you're not going to cause much pollution either.
The environmental cultists also never gave much of a damn about the extreme pollution taking place in the USSR. Funny how all these cultists never give a damn about what they purport to stand for, unless it's something they can burn down the west for.
I mean, 'We're doomed' has been repeated regularly over the last 50 years and has yet to manifest in any conceivable way, they just move to the next big lie. You can't blame some people for going 'It's a hoax, and will blow over the last six times.' when Chicken Little is still screaming his head off about it.
Yeah, we could stand to pollute less and conserve more, but I'll be damned if I ever take CC's data at face value.
It's a cult. If they actually believed that CC is an existential threat, they would be pushing nuclear power despite their misgivings. France mostly has nuclear power, and it is yet to blow up.
You're assuming they're rational.
Doomsayers has been the most powerful tool to control people. From religious prophecies to global warming. Power, control and wealth.
Betting against catastrophe is always a good idea, but conclusively asserting that it's a "hoax" with absolutely nothing to back it up is also pretty absurd.
We could always pollute less and 'conserve' more. The problem is that at the present, it's being pushed way past the point of vastly diminishing returns. But for most people, it's just a religion - putting plastic in a separate garbage bin is their good deed of the week.
There is not really a uniform set of 'data' that we can speak about. I think 'the data', such as it is, is valid to the extent that such models can be, but the presentation often is not. In newspapers, it often takes the most alarmistic scenarions, presents it as a certainty, and then ends up with people dismissing the whole thing as a hoax when the predictions turn out to be false, as always.
I would recommend Michael Shellenberger's book to anyone interested in the thing. Though I don't know whether he can be trusted either. That is part of the problem, all of this stuff is so inscrutable, and the 'experts' so morally and intellectually bankrupt, that one is forced to either believe politicized anarcho-primitivist 'experts' on one side, or those 'experts' funded by Exon (as the saying goes) on the other side, or into agnosticism. The fanaticism with which people advocate positions of which they have no clue at all whether they are correct, on both sides, is something that bothers me. At least have the balls to acknowledge that you don't know. As I don't.
Remember how we were supposed to be underwater in 12 years? The hole in the o-zone layer to destroy us all? Melting polar ice caps? There may have been some nuggets of truth hidden away in them, but frankly, calling them a hoax is being gentle. 'Directed lies to seize assets' would be closer to the truth.
Few arguments there, I was thinking more along the lines of all these stupid masks getting put into recycle bins and pushing for more items to be made from locally recycled material instead of cheap plastic from China.
Fair, I wasn't communicating clearly there. "Any information about CC published by mass media and/or that push for political control rather than targeted improvements" won't be taken at face value. If it shows up in a science magazine, it's a maybe. If it's a published paper, I'll at least humor the idea and see if it remains internally consistent. If it comes from a politician's or celebrity's lips, I would rather eat fresh vomit than accept it.
That said, I can't blame those that just go 'It's a hoax' still. Because after fifty years of Chicken Little screaming for attention, you either tune him out or you become the next Chicken Little.
No, alarmists have no nugget of truth to offer whatsoever. None of this nonsense was backed by "the scientific consensus" that they always brag about. It's mostly pushed by the media. and activists.
Depends on who you are talking about. The alarmists, that is correct, but that wouldn't make the whole thing a hoax.
The funny thing is that this will likely use up more resources than just importing them made from cheap plastic from China. Why that is 'sustainable', no one knows.
I agree with that, although I will say that science 'magazines' are generally propaganda outlets. What is semi-respectable is the science journals, but even they are being increasingly corruptetd by IDPol.
That is no more than common sense.
You can deny that it's caused by humans.
Yes, that is a very good reason to be skeptical of that - and any other 'crisis' pushed, which generally are completely bogus and advanced by people who want to increase their own power.
Midwits take things at face value. The wise see everything the way it actually is; in terms of narrative. The climate is always changing and human development has negligible effects. The narrative behind it is like all other narratives propogated by the Globo Homo elites, to grab more power.
Do tell me by what standard one can tell if someone belongs to 'the wise'.
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What is 'negligible'? I don't agree that CC is existential, but it's definitely not negligible either.
It is negligible. Whether it's wet or dry or hot or cold all weather conditions are always blamed on climate change. The weather channel freaks out if there's a below average hurricane season (climate change reducing hurricanes), an average hurricane season (climate change causes hurricanes) or an above average hurricane season (climate change is causing more hurricanes), and this is the narrative all the time from all institutions. The reason this is pushed, is so the globo homo elites can cripple the people by depriving them of the only cheap reliable source of energy - fossil fuels (how many times have you heard of goals of reaching "carbon nuetral?". Carbon Dioxide is not harmful to the environment at all. It is like saying water is harmful for fish... Look up the Club of Rome. This all is a bogus hoax and has been for a long time.
That has no bearing on the validity of the original thing.
That is certainly a reason why it's exaggerated and there is so much alarmism. It doesn't invalidate the original thing though, same for the virus whose existence you also deny.
You didn't explain how one determines that someone is a member of 'the wise'.
And you're the enlightened cuck right?