I tried to say that ebonics ("AAVE") was a fundamentally wrong way to speak and then I was piled on by a bunch of NPCs about how I was wrong.
Wrong in what way though? Yes, it sounds retarded, and people will consider you really stupid if you speak it, but if you look at from a linguistic point of view, it is just another dialect of English.
Because we have a commonly agreed upon written English that is used to standardize education across the nation. Of which, we use to teach our children how to speak at higher levels.
You can talk however you want, but it literally only exists because of how much it "fails" most basic English rules, otherwise it wouldn't be considered big enough to be named over Minnesota or Maine dialects.
it literally only exists because of how much it "fails" most basic English rules
It's not as if "standard English" existed first and Ebonics evolved out of that. It's just a variant of the hillbilly/Southern dialect, which evolved alongside standard English, and is also just as valid as standard English, in linguistic terms. (Note that the PC crowd never defends the hillbilly accent, and they often mock it as people being uneducated and stupid.)
You might as well say that French is a language for idiots and morons because it 'fails' most basic Latin rules. No ablative! Sacre bleu! And Latin is a language for morons because it has only five endings, rather than the eight from Indo-European.
The point is not to defend Ebonics, or to say that it should be taught. It's good for kids to learn to speak standard English, or they will not be able to get ahead in life. The point is that people are raised with different dialects, and that the fact that one dialect is used by the political center is not a reason to have negative judgments about people who speak with a different dialect.
otherwise it wouldn't be considered big enough to be named over Minnesota or Maine dialects.
AAVE, pidgin, they're dialects of english... You know what else is?
Bri'ish. And 'stralian. And 'murrikan.
Just tossing this out here, if we had classes, specific education, on how to talk Australian, and a different one for how to talk American, and a different one for how to talk British, and another for Jamaican, and another for "Black"...
Kids hate English class already, and we only have to teach them one language. English teachers are already at wits end. To add in the more egregious dialects as common core education? Bin tink fluffy tachas no like dat, man.
Hell no, that Ebonics should be taught wasn't at all what I meant. Because unfair though it may be, people are judged for speaking with an Ebonics/hillbilly accent, and you will find less success in your life if you are going around speaking one of these stigmatized accents. Also, people will be less able to understand you.
Ask an ebonics user to produce or even comprehend a writtten or spoken report. Even "What I did in my summer break."
He will not be able to do it!
Now send him to university to read and comprehend textbooks, take classroom notes, and produce summaries, syntheses or analyses of those texts or notes.
What? He can't do it? But ebonics is just as good as standard American English!
Ask an ebonics user to produce or even comprehend a writtten or spoken report. Even "What I did in my summer break."
How does that show that Ebonics is any more or less valid than standard English?
It shows the monumental failure of the American 'educational' system, which appears to just be able indoctrinating children into the cult-like beliefs of the loony teachers.
Now send him to university to read and comprehend textbooks, take classroom notes, and produce summaries, syntheses or analyses of those texts or notes.
Ah, I see that you're trying to say that it is not desirable for a kid to only know Ebonics. I completely agree with that. The point is not that there is no need for a common language that facilitates communication, but only that from an objective standpoint, Ebonics is no better or worse as a language than Standard English.
What? He can't do it? But ebonics is just as good as standard American English!
If all textbooks etc. were written in Ebonics, then that would not make Ebonics any better than Standard English.
It also fucks up actual foreign people learning English. They fuck over the immigrants they supposedly love so much. Without proper, concrete rules and something constant about the language, it's fucking impossible to learn it and function.
I still find it interesting the traditional stereotype is that us Asians are good at math, and black folks are supposedly bad at reading.
If Virginia wants to make the cuckery complete, they're going to remove regular English courses as well.
It may still be a useful shibboleth to distinguish between Blacks who probably aren't going to be productive members of society and those who can be.
Ask an ebonics speaker to produce (or comprehend) standard communication for the workplace, commerce or science and technology.
Can't do it.
We have language standards and measure competencies for reasons.
Wrong in what way though? Yes, it sounds retarded, and people will consider you really stupid if you speak it, but if you look at from a linguistic point of view, it is just another dialect of English.
That is literally NOT one of the goals of our current society (as dictated by the Rainbow Reich and the Lunatic Leftists).
Because we have a commonly agreed upon written English that is used to standardize education across the nation. Of which, we use to teach our children how to speak at higher levels.
You can talk however you want, but it literally only exists because of how much it "fails" most basic English rules, otherwise it wouldn't be considered big enough to be named over Minnesota or Maine dialects.
It's not as if "standard English" existed first and Ebonics evolved out of that. It's just a variant of the hillbilly/Southern dialect, which evolved alongside standard English, and is also just as valid as standard English, in linguistic terms. (Note that the PC crowd never defends the hillbilly accent, and they often mock it as people being uneducated and stupid.)
You might as well say that French is a language for idiots and morons because it 'fails' most basic Latin rules. No ablative! Sacre bleu! And Latin is a language for morons because it has only five endings, rather than the eight from Indo-European.
The point is not to defend Ebonics, or to say that it should be taught. It's good for kids to learn to speak standard English, or they will not be able to get ahead in life. The point is that people are raised with different dialects, and that the fact that one dialect is used by the political center is not a reason to have negative judgments about people who speak with a different dialect.
I am not sure what this means.
AAVE, pidgin, they're dialects of english... You know what else is?
Bri'ish. And 'stralian. And 'murrikan.
Just tossing this out here, if we had classes, specific education, on how to talk Australian, and a different one for how to talk American, and a different one for how to talk British, and another for Jamaican, and another for "Black"...
Kids hate English class already, and we only have to teach them one language. English teachers are already at wits end. To add in the more egregious dialects as common core education? Bin tink fluffy tachas no like dat, man.
Hell no, that Ebonics should be taught wasn't at all what I meant. Because unfair though it may be, people are judged for speaking with an Ebonics/hillbilly accent, and you will find less success in your life if you are going around speaking one of these stigmatized accents. Also, people will be less able to understand you.
Says someone with no background in linguistics.
Ask an ebonics user to produce or even comprehend a writtten or spoken report. Even "What I did in my summer break."
He will not be able to do it!
Now send him to university to read and comprehend textbooks, take classroom notes, and produce summaries, syntheses or analyses of those texts or notes.
What? He can't do it? But ebonics is just as good as standard American English!
A linguistics expert on .win told me so!
How does that show that Ebonics is any more or less valid than standard English?
It shows the monumental failure of the American 'educational' system, which appears to just be able indoctrinating children into the cult-like beliefs of the loony teachers.
Ah, I see that you're trying to say that it is not desirable for a kid to only know Ebonics. I completely agree with that. The point is not that there is no need for a common language that facilitates communication, but only that from an objective standpoint, Ebonics is no better or worse as a language than Standard English.
If all textbooks etc. were written in Ebonics, then that would not make Ebonics any better than Standard English.
As for lingustiics experts... see John McWhorter.
Centuries of co-existence, still can't speak the language. I believe that got me a ban on some sub.
It also fucks up actual foreign people learning English. They fuck over the immigrants they supposedly love so much. Without proper, concrete rules and something constant about the language, it's fucking impossible to learn it and function.