I feel rap is only in the position that it is is because of it being constantly propped up by wealthy elites who wish to engineer our taste in things. They are willing to try and control our beliefs by changing the things we can see (ala Google), so I strongly suspect music is the same.
I upvoted him for helping spur some interesting discussion, even if I think he's very wrong. Seeing his comments sort of reaffirms my guess that he's just mistaken at a foundational level rather than a potential bad actor.
I'd add one more simple thing to your list, the "fuck you dad" phenomenon, where a child does whatever they can to spite the care and warnings of their parents. A sorry sight, made much worse when a person fails to self-reflect as they exit their rebellious stage.
The Jews also helped USA win WWII, and they also include people like Ben Shapiro and Steven Pinker. On top of that they run the only functional democracy in the Middle-East. Go Jews.
You mean the Jewish Socialists, Communists, and Soviet collaborators that peppered the Manhattan Project?
I'm still not convinced Ben Shapiro isn't just trying to repackage neocon foreign policy under a libertarian facade. But I can get behind the Jewish apartheid state as well.
Are you sure it's rap and hip-hop that dominates culture? If anything, I'd say it's pop music, which is artificially designed to be quick, snappy, and appeal to the lowest common denominator of the human brain...which seems to be the premise of your post and I agree.
Bits of rock, gangsta rap, and the like might fall under the umbrella, but I don't think rap culture is as big today as it was under past eras like that of Notorious BIG and Tupac.
Personally, I despise lyrics altogether and prefer instrumental music like that from Explosions in the Sky. However, it's slightly niche. I don't even like Japanese, Korean, or other voices, including opera, despite listening to classical occasional.
I'm not sure if rap dominates culture or not, but they sure are trying to make it stick. How many video game commercials have awful, incomprehensible rap music in their trailers? I can name multiple trailers, especially Playstation trailer montages.
Why then are some of the most popular English language songs ballads? There were decades upon decades where lyrics heavy music was favored. It seems like you're trying to find an artistic explanation for a political and business oriented phenomenon. Hip Hop sells clothes, lifestyle, and political power.
Lazy songwriters, and lazy kids that were never introduced to music properly. Also, you can pick hip-hoppers the same way the record producer in Payola Roll Blues picks out his doo-wop "artists" - grab 'em off the street and poke 'em with a stick, use Autotune to make 'em sound better.
You are showing how ignorant you are of English language music here. Everything rap does well has been done for a 1000 year in the folk traditions of the British isles, with the exception that those ballads and songs had actual melody and musicality in addition to rhythm and rhyme. Hip hop is popular because it is easy to produce and a part of a popular culture. Black culture in the united states benefits from being seen as tough and street wise--see Renard the fox or robin hood for other outlaw cultural ideas that were popular--and thus something people want to partake in. If you can't be actually tough, then playact as though you are.
Masculine rap & hiphop in an aggressive style by blacks
vs
Hipster betamale inoffensive electro swing / acoustic / high-pitched effminate "singing" by "white" soycucks from SanFran and Portland afraid of sounding like N*zis
It's forced. Look at youtube 10 years ago vs today. When things went viral 10 years ago, it was always strange and weird stuff, but generally never corporate crap. Now when things go "viral" or "trend" it's degenerate modern pop "culture" and corporate crap.
I enjoyed reading your post, it has some interesting ideas in it about language. I can only point out a couple of things.
Why is it necessary to explain things in a merit basis? The world would be a way cooler place if everything ran on merit, sure, but I hope you understand that that isn't the reality we're stuck in. I think you compromised the legitimacy of your argument by not entertaining non-merit alternatives.
Are you a student of music theory? I have some complicated feelings about the theory that stem from an observation of how many aspiring musicians end up hobbling their own talent by treating the theory as gospel. I can't say the theory is wrong, but I can't say it's right very easily (especially when you have big successes like The Protomen who actively tried to do everything their music teachers said not to do). I'm not trying to lump you in there, but I have to ask because some of the stuff you said about your experience in song writing make me think you're totally unaware of experimental genres or even progressive music. I want to emphasize the progressive genre here because it's pretty much based around playing with rhythm and meter (and I am 100% sure you've heard bands that failed to do this while being labeled progressive, because it's common).
I'm normally an album listener, so I apologize if you hit a poor example with these (as each has multiple albums I discarded): Dream Theater [I consider them to be masters of musical transition and a great example of what music theory can accomplish], King Crimson, Genesis (Peter Gabriel era). I miraculously even found a modern one-off example in Native Construct. You might not hear many examples of interesting meter from those, but at least the complexity of the music should express a basis for my point.
I thought it'd be rude to cite examples unprompted, so I tried to avoid it.
I feel rap is only in the position that it is is because of it being constantly propped up by wealthy elites who wish to engineer our taste in things. They are willing to try and control our beliefs by changing the things we can see (ala Google), so I strongly suspect music is the same.
I upvoted him for helping spur some interesting discussion, even if I think he's very wrong. Seeing his comments sort of reaffirms my guess that he's just mistaken at a foundational level rather than a potential bad actor.
I'd add one more simple thing to your list, the "fuck you dad" phenomenon, where a child does whatever they can to spite the care and warnings of their parents. A sorry sight, made much worse when a person fails to self-reflect as they exit their rebellious stage.
I was actually listening to "Four Strong Winds" before I read the OP so his observations rang especially hollow.
Jews pimpin negro culture. It's not that complex. Amplify empathetic guilt, and prey upon it.
You sound like a moronic Borat joke. It’s the Jeeews!
Borat is a piece of filth who advocates against freedom of speech.
Who gives a damn about his stupid jokes?
Hence “moronic”
Who runs Hollywood?
Most famous rappers of the past had Jewish managers or were signed to Jewish companies. It's absurd that you treat a fact as a conspiracy.
The Jews also helped USA win WWII, and they also include people like Ben Shapiro and Steven Pinker. On top of that they run the only functional democracy in the Middle-East. Go Jews.
We "won" ww2 and look where we are now. Huuuh
"We defeated the wrong enemy "--- General Patten
And Ben "I don't care if America turns brown" Shapiro . And Middle East was doing pretty OK until such and such came along. Huuuuh
No. Learn some history.
You mean the Jewish Socialists, Communists, and Soviet collaborators that peppered the Manhattan Project?
I'm still not convinced Ben Shapiro isn't just trying to repackage neocon foreign policy under a libertarian facade. But I can get behind the Jewish apartheid state as well.
On this, we can completely agree.
Ben Shapiro caused WWII?
I'd believe it.
Watch Ben Shapiro ANNIHILATE Hitler with LOGIC and REASON! #sjw #jewmad #rekt #schooled
Ben Shapiro is a neocon midget.
Steven Pinker is a leftist who danced like a cuck when Biden "won" via fraud.
If this was an attempt to convince people you failed hard by using these two clowns that most of us here rightfully despise.
Are you sure it's rap and hip-hop that dominates culture? If anything, I'd say it's pop music, which is artificially designed to be quick, snappy, and appeal to the lowest common denominator of the human brain...which seems to be the premise of your post and I agree.
Bits of rock, gangsta rap, and the like might fall under the umbrella, but I don't think rap culture is as big today as it was under past eras like that of Notorious BIG and Tupac.
Personally, I despise lyrics altogether and prefer instrumental music like that from Explosions in the Sky. However, it's slightly niche. I don't even like Japanese, Korean, or other voices, including opera, despite listening to classical occasional.
I'm not sure if rap dominates culture or not, but they sure are trying to make it stick. How many video game commercials have awful, incomprehensible rap music in their trailers? I can name multiple trailers, especially Playstation trailer montages.
Why then are some of the most popular English language songs ballads? There were decades upon decades where lyrics heavy music was favored. It seems like you're trying to find an artistic explanation for a political and business oriented phenomenon. Hip Hop sells clothes, lifestyle, and political power.
I think it's just laziness.
Lazy songwriters, and lazy kids that were never introduced to music properly. Also, you can pick hip-hoppers the same way the record producer in Payola Roll Blues picks out his doo-wop "artists" - grab 'em off the street and poke 'em with a stick, use Autotune to make 'em sound better.
You are showing how ignorant you are of English language music here. Everything rap does well has been done for a 1000 year in the folk traditions of the British isles, with the exception that those ballads and songs had actual melody and musicality in addition to rhythm and rhyme. Hip hop is popular because it is easy to produce and a part of a popular culture. Black culture in the united states benefits from being seen as tough and street wise--see Renard the fox or robin hood for other outlaw cultural ideas that were popular--and thus something people want to partake in. If you can't be actually tough, then playact as though you are.
vs
I wonder why "black music" is popular.
It's forced. Look at youtube 10 years ago vs today. When things went viral 10 years ago, it was always strange and weird stuff, but generally never corporate crap. Now when things go "viral" or "trend" it's degenerate modern pop "culture" and corporate crap.
I enjoyed reading your post, it has some interesting ideas in it about language. I can only point out a couple of things.
Why is it necessary to explain things in a merit basis? The world would be a way cooler place if everything ran on merit, sure, but I hope you understand that that isn't the reality we're stuck in. I think you compromised the legitimacy of your argument by not entertaining non-merit alternatives.
Are you a student of music theory? I have some complicated feelings about the theory that stem from an observation of how many aspiring musicians end up hobbling their own talent by treating the theory as gospel. I can't say the theory is wrong, but I can't say it's right very easily (especially when you have big successes like The Protomen who actively tried to do everything their music teachers said not to do). I'm not trying to lump you in there, but I have to ask because some of the stuff you said about your experience in song writing make me think you're totally unaware of experimental genres or even progressive music. I want to emphasize the progressive genre here because it's pretty much based around playing with rhythm and meter (and I am 100% sure you've heard bands that failed to do this while being labeled progressive, because it's common).
I'm normally an album listener, so I apologize if you hit a poor example with these (as each has multiple albums I discarded): Dream Theater [I consider them to be masters of musical transition and a great example of what music theory can accomplish], King Crimson, Genesis (Peter Gabriel era). I miraculously even found a modern one-off example in Native Construct. You might not hear many examples of interesting meter from those, but at least the complexity of the music should express a basis for my point.
I thought it'd be rude to cite examples unprompted, so I tried to avoid it.
Cool, glad to hear. I hope they can also serve as useful data sets for you outside of regular musical enjoyment.
I only listen to metal so I'm all about the angry sounding voices well more like gurgles and screaming cause I hate any clean vocal shit
I wouldn't be surprised if that's true.