Do be careful about trusting some of these initial witness reports. I know Memeology 101 is putting out news footage of a witness statement saying he heard 3, then 5, then 10 gunshots.
A lot of people on 9/11 claimed that the first attack on the WTC tower were from "missiles" being fired into it. The initial report at the pentagon that the news was circulating was of a helicopter crash.
Or hell, I could just tell you about "Hands up, don't shoot"
Take a bit of a grain of salt with the witnesses. They have a nasty habit of back-rationalizing what they think they heard or saw to create a coherent narrative that they can better understand, rather than keeping to the specifics of what actually happened.
A gunfight related to the RV would seem highly unlikely. I'm also not totally convinced that the warning was designed to lure people to the RV. I'm not totally convinced of this countdown announcement either since we can hear the evacuation broadcast, but not the countdown.
We don't know that the audio is genuine. Anyone can add a sound track. Considering the time and place, I highly doubt it was meant for mass casualties.
Spez: It would be a convenient way to get rid of your wife if you were already going to set off a big ass bomb for other reasons. Two birds with one stone.
Also, the cops say they were responding to a shots fired call, so regardless of how many shots were actually fired, someone thought they heard gunshots and called the police.
It would be a convenient way to get rid of your wife if you were already going to set off a big ass bomb for other reasons. Two birds with one stone.
Honestly, a lone wolf attack for petty reasons just isn't out of the realm of possibility here.
At least one witness claims to have heard shots fired. It could be real, or it could be the attacker attempting to inform the police, and the witness was confused. We'll probably get better info in the coming days.
I guarantee you that the FBI are going to find out where that RV came from.
The method and target are solid, but something about the execution seems sloppy. Proximity to the target could have been better and probably the choice of explosive too. Seems to me the planner and the triggerman are different people.
It's a very odd type of attack. Like I said, a state actor wouldn't care so much about trying to preserve life, and they would have been more likely to either succeed or use a non-violent tactic on this type of facility. On the other hand, your average non-state actor wouldn't target telecom infrastructure, nor avoid civilian casualties.
It's like they were a Luddite Extremist or something. That's what makes me think it could be a lone wolf thing. Basically a guy who kills himself but blames telecom for the social damage he sees around him.
There is a rumor that the FBI isn't letting any other agencies into the building. If they had lost access to something in there for whatever reason, they are in now.
your average non-state actor wouldn't target telecom infrastructure
There was an incident sometime in the early 00's where a person stole a utility tree trimming crane (the sort used to clear branches around large transmission lines in rough terrain) and used it to cut through some high voltage lines.
It sparked a very short lived national manhunt because it was believed to be a lone wolf making an attack on utility infrastructure.
You can't find anything about the story today, it's been completely covered up.
As for the lone wolf, it's absolutely possible, but would you believe it?
No.
Longer answer: outside of random "send pipebomb" and "shoot some randos" or "~~Aloha Snackbar~` workplace violence", there's almost no instances of self-taught, self-supported, true lone wolves. Uncle Ted is about it, if you account for the fact that McVeigh and Nichols repeatedly admitted that they had a third accomplice...
They have a nasty habit of back-rationalizing what they think they heard or saw to create a coherent narrative that they can better understand, rather than keeping to the specifics of what actually happened.
I actually experienced this personally a few months ago. I witnessed a car crash when I was sitting at a red light. The only thing I was sure of was that a pickup t-boned a sedan (everyone ended up being okay), and when I glanced up at the light a few seconds later, my light was green. As little as 30 minutes later, I had constructed a whole narrative in my head of what had happened based on shit I couldn't have known at the time. Luckily, I caught myself.
It's a real problem with the human mind. It's not necessarily true that we're good at just pattern recognition. It's that our brain thinks in narratives, no matter what the facts are. We just have to put things in narratives, or they become very difficult to comprehend or understand. If we don't have evidence for a narrative, we start inserting things that sound like it makes sense, and then we see the narrative as fact.
Getting a better look at the sheer size and windowless-ness of that facility, I suspect it was more likely the primary target than the courthouse.
The size of that VBIED was clearly designed to knock out that building entirely. It was no small bomb.
However, anti-terrorist architecture has come a long way since Oklahoma City. If it's critical network infrastructure, there may be some kind of re-enforced outer walls to protect it. Not to mention, the distance from the building is probably what saved it.
I still suspect that whoever attacked the facility missed. They wanted to destroy that building... but they didn't want to kill people.
Normally state actors like China, Iran, or North Korea wouldn't need to blow up a telecom center, they could do plenty of damage without physically attacking it. This may be a genuine unaffiliated terrorist. Unless done by a conventional military force, state actors don't tend to take that much effort into keeping civilians out of harm's way. That kind of thing seems like someone who wants to hurt a system, but not people, as a moral act. That would make it much more likely to be a terrorist than a state actor who would be much more pragmatic and uncaring.
All that being said, I'm pretty confident we can cross "Islamist" off the list at this point.
Hahahaha yeah something about the woman politely asking people to evacuate downtown didn't exactly scream "Muslim" to me. They'd be driving a van labeled "free candy".
Getting some strong NSA vibes from that building. But I do know a little bit about centers like these. Those floors just house equipment and not people, they don't really benefit from windows and it's likely not nefarious or covert. Who knows.
Well, the NSA actually leases entire floors of some of the core telecom hubs in the nation. AT&T actually leases it to them and doesn't ask any questions, though the NSA did have to submit floor plans and a general explanation of what they would do to all that data. IIRC there's one in Southern California at an AT&T building which just busily tries to copy all incoming data into the US so that it can be searched through what used to be PRISM.
I'm sure the NSA has a similar set up at a few other locations, possibly this one as well.
It doesn't necessarily mean it was an attack on the NSA though. The NSA would have a monitoring station at a critical point of network infrastructure for the same reason the DOD keeps active anti-aircraft weapons at our 3 major oil refineries. You don't want bad things to happen to those places, so you have to protect them.
Agreed on all points. Guess we'll just have to wait for a manifesto to emerge so we can debate the merits of it or if it's a false flag. Can't wait to hear the Qtard theories.
As a telecom AT&T obviously works hand-in-hand with the NSA. Here's an article from The Intercept dating back to June 2018.
It doesn't mention Nashville specifically, but does cite other cities and general infrastructure precautions (bombs, earthquakes). The Nashville building was supposedly built in 1994, so it's fairly modern.
If the reason is election related then it's surprising as a layman that the Atlanta point wouldn't have been targeted instead, and again, it seems unlikely that critical infrastructure wouldn't have safe-guards...but who knows.
I agree. If Islamists were going to bomb something on Christmas it would be a church, not infrastructure that's probably on a skeleton crew for the day.
Do be careful about trusting some of these initial witness reports. I know Memeology 101 is putting out news footage of a witness statement saying he heard 3, then 5, then 10 gunshots.
A lot of people on 9/11 claimed that the first attack on the WTC tower were from "missiles" being fired into it. The initial report at the pentagon that the news was circulating was of a helicopter crash.
Or hell, I could just tell you about "Hands up, don't shoot"
Take a bit of a grain of salt with the witnesses. They have a nasty habit of back-rationalizing what they think they heard or saw to create a coherent narrative that they can better understand, rather than keeping to the specifics of what actually happened.
A gunfight related to the RV would seem highly unlikely. I'm also not totally convinced that the warning was designed to lure people to the RV. I'm not totally convinced of this countdown announcement either since we can hear the evacuation broadcast, but not the countdown.
We don't know that the audio is genuine. Anyone can add a sound track. Considering the time and place, I highly doubt it was meant for mass casualties.
Spez: It would be a convenient way to get rid of your wife if you were already going to set off a big ass bomb for other reasons. Two birds with one stone.
Your skepticism is valid. It could be a fake audio track.Actually, I take back what I said earlier. The cops said that they were attempting to evacuate the area because they had heard a loudspeaker from the RV attempting to tell people to evacuate the area due to what the Chief said was a "potential bomb". The audio track may be genuine, as it matches up with the Police Department's statement.
Also, the cops say they were responding to a shots fired call, so regardless of how many shots were actually fired, someone thought they heard gunshots and called the police.
Honestly, a lone wolf attack for petty reasons just isn't out of the realm of possibility here.
At least one witness claims to have heard shots fired. It could be real, or it could be the attacker attempting to inform the police, and the witness was confused. We'll probably get better info in the coming days.
I guarantee you that the FBI are going to find out where that RV came from.
They'll find out the RV was stolen a week ago, I'd wager.
I wouldn't bet against you.
Witnesses are stupid. It could have been a book that fell on the floor.
You're not wrong.
I stand corrected about the audio. As for the lone wolf, it's absolutely possible, but would you believe it?
Yeah.
Lone wolf terrorism is a thing. It's possible he got some help, but was the primary actor.
The target isn't a coincidence given the times. At the very least, someone with larger plans suggested it to Mr. Wolf.
The method and target are solid, but something about the execution seems sloppy. Proximity to the target could have been better and probably the choice of explosive too. Seems to me the planner and the triggerman are different people.
It's a very odd type of attack. Like I said, a state actor wouldn't care so much about trying to preserve life, and they would have been more likely to either succeed or use a non-violent tactic on this type of facility. On the other hand, your average non-state actor wouldn't target telecom infrastructure, nor avoid civilian casualties.
It's like they were a Luddite Extremist or something. That's what makes me think it could be a lone wolf thing. Basically a guy who kills himself but blames telecom for the social damage he sees around him.
There is a rumor that the FBI isn't letting any other agencies into the building. If they had lost access to something in there for whatever reason, they are in now.
There was an incident sometime in the early 00's where a person stole a utility tree trimming crane (the sort used to clear branches around large transmission lines in rough terrain) and used it to cut through some high voltage lines.
It sparked a very short lived national manhunt because it was believed to be a lone wolf making an attack on utility infrastructure.
You can't find anything about the story today, it's been completely covered up.
No.
Longer answer: outside of random "send pipebomb" and "shoot some randos" or "~~Aloha Snackbar~` workplace violence", there's almost no instances of self-taught, self-supported, true lone wolves. Uncle Ted is about it, if you account for the fact that McVeigh and Nichols repeatedly admitted that they had a third accomplice...
I actually experienced this personally a few months ago. I witnessed a car crash when I was sitting at a red light. The only thing I was sure of was that a pickup t-boned a sedan (everyone ended up being okay), and when I glanced up at the light a few seconds later, my light was green. As little as 30 minutes later, I had constructed a whole narrative in my head of what had happened based on shit I couldn't have known at the time. Luckily, I caught myself.
It's a real problem with the human mind. It's not necessarily true that we're good at just pattern recognition. It's that our brain thinks in narratives, no matter what the facts are. We just have to put things in narratives, or they become very difficult to comprehend or understand. If we don't have evidence for a narrative, we start inserting things that sound like it makes sense, and then we see the narrative as fact.
You kinda have to be trained to not do that.
Having been accused of this before, the Elders of Zion is a book, rather than people.
There are AT&T outages in Atlanta. Do those logs have evidence of election fraud in the presidential election or the upcoming election?
The Nashville location was apparently a switching hub. It's possible that other outages are knock-on effects to an over-burdened telecom network.
Atlanta-Nashville is a good spot for an inter-regional link. It's definitely possible.
Getting a better look at the sheer size and windowless-ness of that facility, I suspect it was more likely the primary target than the courthouse.
The size of that VBIED was clearly designed to knock out that building entirely. It was no small bomb.
However, anti-terrorist architecture has come a long way since Oklahoma City. If it's critical network infrastructure, there may be some kind of re-enforced outer walls to protect it. Not to mention, the distance from the building is probably what saved it.
I still suspect that whoever attacked the facility missed. They wanted to destroy that building... but they didn't want to kill people.
Normally state actors like China, Iran, or North Korea wouldn't need to blow up a telecom center, they could do plenty of damage without physically attacking it. This may be a genuine unaffiliated terrorist. Unless done by a conventional military force, state actors don't tend to take that much effort into keeping civilians out of harm's way. That kind of thing seems like someone who wants to hurt a system, but not people, as a moral act. That would make it much more likely to be a terrorist than a state actor who would be much more pragmatic and uncaring.
All that being said, I'm pretty confident we can cross "Islamist" off the list at this point.
Hahahaha yeah something about the woman politely asking people to evacuate downtown didn't exactly scream "Muslim" to me. They'd be driving a van labeled "free candy".
Getting some strong NSA vibes from that building. But I do know a little bit about centers like these. Those floors just house equipment and not people, they don't really benefit from windows and it's likely not nefarious or covert. Who knows.
Well, the NSA actually leases entire floors of some of the core telecom hubs in the nation. AT&T actually leases it to them and doesn't ask any questions, though the NSA did have to submit floor plans and a general explanation of what they would do to all that data. IIRC there's one in Southern California at an AT&T building which just busily tries to copy all incoming data into the US so that it can be searched through what used to be PRISM.
I'm sure the NSA has a similar set up at a few other locations, possibly this one as well.
It doesn't necessarily mean it was an attack on the NSA though. The NSA would have a monitoring station at a critical point of network infrastructure for the same reason the DOD keeps active anti-aircraft weapons at our 3 major oil refineries. You don't want bad things to happen to those places, so you have to protect them.
Agreed on all points. Guess we'll just have to wait for a manifesto to emerge so we can debate the merits of it or if it's a false flag. Can't wait to hear the Qtard theories.
Interdimensional Aliens were stopped from eating the blood of aborted fetuses on the 13th floor.
As a telecom AT&T obviously works hand-in-hand with the NSA. Here's an article from The Intercept dating back to June 2018.
It doesn't mention Nashville specifically, but does cite other cities and general infrastructure precautions (bombs, earthquakes). The Nashville building was supposedly built in 1994, so it's fairly modern.
If the reason is election related then it's surprising as a layman that the Atlanta point wouldn't have been targeted instead, and again, it seems unlikely that critical infrastructure wouldn't have safe-guards...but who knows.
AT&T had the infamous Room 641A, which was the first publicly confirmed NSA tap on internet infrastructure.
I agree. If Islamists were going to bomb something on Christmas it would be a church, not infrastructure that's probably on a skeleton crew for the day.