I am so beyond blackpilled I feel like I've transcended into a completely different mindset. I will occasionally prod my friends and family with ideas, but they are so locked into the status quo I don't really bother. It is also increasingly hard to relate to people because I essentially consume no pop culture.
I don't know what exactly will come next. However, I believe that a spiritual revival and a rediscovery of value is not only necessary but inevitable, for me and the society at large.
Funny that, I've been seriously mulling over rejoining the church because of everything that's happened these past couple years. Not in a devout way mind you, more for the community, values and structure that it tends to bring. Trouble is most of the Protestant denominations around here are hitched to the woke wagon.
I cannot in good faith call myself Christian. I admire the devout, but I also have found every church I've attended insufferably woke.
Instead, I've turned towards exploring spirituality on my own. Reading the older texts, including the bible and the analects. It's been challenging since of course, these texts require traditional interpretation, however much of the tradition has been corrupted.
I've also found creativity to be an avenue of spiritual exploration. Artistic creation is constrained by aesthetics and is therefore a means to discover the nature of reality. I think this is a very good balance to books which tend to be measured against pure reason which can just as easily lead to insanity.
A word both on materials for further study and on church hunting:
I think you might enjoy a writer and thinker named GK Chesterton. He was a Christian public intellectual during the early 1900s, a time when most intellectuals were going quite mad in a manner comparable to the woke of today. He has a number of writings against all of the intellectual rot of the time that still hold considerable worth; I’d recommend Heretics and then Orthodoxy. I think you’d like him because he was of a similar opinion on limits being the essence of true art and understanding; there must be rules in order for things to be properly enjoyed. He also made a point to show that reason unchecked led often to unsettled intellects.
As for church hunting, I’d recommend simply trying a bunch. While the decentralized nature of Protestantism means that you won’t have a guarantee of certain things, it also means you can usually find some church that offers what you’re looking for. What would you consider to be too woke by the by? It would be important to nail down certain doctrines so you can know where to look.
Lastly, (and I throw this out only as a customary aside), if you are looking in Christianity for just an anti-wokeness, I’d caution you. While Christianity is supposed to be opposed to the world, that isn’t necessarily the primary ‘thing’ so to speak. Just fair warning to be clear what you’re looking for. I believe that Christianity offers a consistent counter to general wokeness better than anything else, but if used only for that purpose it will be lacking. It’s more than that, as you likely know. Just a caution. I’d love to help in any way I can.
I'd be really curious to know which churches he's going to too. There is no doubt a ton of woke churches but there are plenty of those around that still try to follow the tenets of Christianity, even today.
There's a big YMMV especially depending on what part of the US you're in, but ime Baptists are still relatively on the ball. Though the trick's finding a congregation that isn't pharisaical the stereotype of us hating dancing and any movies but the Lord of the Rings has a lot of truth to it lol.
He's just going to have try church hunting. It's a hassle but eh, at least he'll get a better idea of what he (doesn't) want out of a church as he goes about that. Add'ly, if the woke churches are as woke as the ones I've read about, they'll make it pretty clear either by having rainbow flags up or their pastors will invoke "social justice", or "diversity", "inclusion", and those other words wokeists like to use.
I hear the Eastern Orthodox are pretty good, the ones I've heard talk on youtube and the like seem pretty level-headed anyway. I'd try going to an Eastern Orthodox church if my area actually had any.
Orthodoxy is on my list, I'll definitely check out Heretics as well.
At this point, I attend the church the majority of my family attends. It's ridiculously woke (they had a seminar on truth and reconciliation earlier this year), but until I figure some other things out, I think that there's value in being with family.
I see. That is pretty woke. However, as you say there is value to being with family, especially now. For looking around though, this is actually one of the better times to do so, since most churches have worked hard to be reliably online due to Covid. It’s not a perfect way of figuring them out, but it’s easier than ever to get a general idea of a church than ever before. Figure out what you’re looking for and then check around.
You know when people quest for "pure reason" by unreasonably disregarding everything their emotions consider unreasonable? You end up becoming a LessWrong cultist.
To start with, the sense of beauty is a natural thing we are born with. It's hard to say why, but there seems to be an innate association between goodness, health and beauty. When you go up to the mountains and just see nature in all its glory, or watch a sunset across the sea there is a sense of wonder. Add a cabin to the mountains, or a lone boat on the horizon, and that sense of wonder may even be enhanced. You might ask who is there, that appreciates nature so much that they can't watch it from far away, but need to be surrounded. Replace all the trees with apartments and fill the horizon with freight ships, is that wonder preserved?
Now, the interesting thing is that ideas can be beautiful. There is an aesthetic to mathematics, simple and symmetrical ideas are often the truest. There is an aesthetic to programming, which is the tool I use. Elegant algorithms can often solve problems with less code and fewer potential errors. In philosophy too, there can be beautiful ideas. There's a beauty in a phrases such as "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" or "from each according to his ability to each according to his need". Two morally opposite phrases both share this quality of beauty. Now, it becomes apparent that beauty and good have a dubious relationship. Why is that?
I'm speculating here, but I think that the difference is the relationship with reality. It is the act of constraining our creations, forcing them to conform to something, whether it's our sense of aesthetic or mathematical axioms, that imbues the beautiful with the good. Therefore, the good artist lets external beauty be a guide to his thinking. The bad artist tries to impose his internal reason on the outside world.
This interplay between beauty, goodness, and the mind and hand of a creator forms the basis of some kind of spirituality.
I've been doing some hobby coding, creating small simulations and virtual art.
I've also been reading books. I am partly through Hoppe's, "Democracy the god that failed". I plan on doing a series of posts about the books that I read, starting with this one.
Yeah, I'd say art is the easiest way to become interesting. Thanks to years of mandatory education, I can ad lib a short speech on the interpretation of my creations, which Hoppe would frown at.
Oddly, I've found that there's a big proportion of normies that are not too fond of democracy. I have also prodded on this point, but this seems to stem from a relativist "all systems are essentially the same" view as opposed to any tangible analysis.
i found the best way to approach this is in a purely shittalkey brainstorming way.
when you just stare into the void with a beer in hand and a smile on your face, just pretend to think about what form of democracy you even would want. expand on the original greek meaning, go over what we actually should have, a representative republic, to the existing mob-rule which can be easily steered by tptb...
all while forming it more as questions to yourself than as statements.
that helped me tune down my, granted, aggressive (or rather frustrated) style of talking and makes ppl who are not used to talking about these things or haven't even thought about them way more open.
I believe that a spiritual revival and a rediscovery of value is not only necessary but inevitable, for me and the society at large.
Knowing narcissists in charge they will take authorship over introduction of those values after they erase their existence in the past just so they can write themselves down in history as people who brought humanity from the brink.
I believe there needs to be a clear push towards being openly pro-white. Not just "right wing" or "non-racist" but white people firmly in favour of the race they are. Anything else is essentially being suicidal. I don't think Trump is going to make that push, but the people after him have to.
I would once again suggest people check out the videos by Asha Logos as well.
It's not about who wants one, it's about if people will stand up for who they are. If white people will not stand up and believe that they should exist and have places explicitly for them, then they will lose either way. The fastest way to lose a war is to deny that the war is even taking place.
I think we're going to have to learn how to build real-world self-sufficient communities again. Act like outsiders settling a strange land with a hostile native population. Then it becomes a question of trying to find a region where that's both feasible and where the hostility of the native population is minimal.
I also work for a globohomo megacorp. One thing I will say is that there are a lot of powerful people whose entire fortune is tied up in globohomo megacorp stock, and they will exert gargantuan levels of effort to keep that system afloat. Bet against that at your peril. I'd rather have land, self-sufficiency skills, and community as a hedge against the system collapsing than anything else.
I think we're going to have to learn how to build real-world self-sufficient communities again. Act like outsiders settling a strange land with a hostile native population. Then it becomes a question of trying to find a region where that's both feasible and where the hostility of the native population is minimal.
I have been thinking along similar lines. If I had money now, I’d be looking at buying as much land as I possibly could. The potential downside to that being if they really want to strip people of land in the future, they can make taxed prohibitively high, but cross that bridge when we get to it.
I think that’s kind of where we’re headed, some kind of gated community/tiny city-states, where no one is claiming to be politically autonomous, or attempting to live off the grid, they just live surrounded by private land, and take care of their own stuff, for the most part.
The more self-sufficient the community can be, the more immune to external pressure it is. Remember when LA was turning off power and water to houses where people were holding parties? Doesn't work if you have your own standalone power and water infrastructure.
The trick will be gatekeeping the hell out of the communities and building up whatever legal infrastructure will be necessary to allow that gatekeeping to occur.
i dont waste time with folks in the Dissident Right who are mad about Q being a grift & supposedly wasting the precious commodity of Boomer Rage, bc those people dont understand that redpilling the Boomer was always a false hope. all that matters is breaking the system, full stop
like ive said before: i dont care if the Boomers think they're filling ditches with lizards, as long as those ditches get filled
"these Q people ruined the chance of a real Based 1488 Boomer Uprising!"
nah dog, these people would be playing Candy Crush if Q didnt exist
Ironically a lot of the DR people* who shit on Q because it's "absurd" and "unrealistic" will defend religious faith against similar criticism from the non-religious on utilitarian grounds of it being "socially useful".
Full disclosure: I was in the "absurd" and "unrealistic" camp until quite recently when I saw footage of Q boomers out on the streets beating the shit out of some Antifa and realized they were far more useful than the "it's a big club and you ain't in it" fatalist wing of the DR ever would be.
* Targeting people like Devon Stack and Paul Ramsay with this criticism, not you.
If the plan doesn't pan out a lot of people are going to be pissed and will be primed to accept the idea that even a "4d chessmaster" can't fix our problems all by himself.
I think the minecraft energy would be there, but the risk is it's an army without officers. Officers will eventually appear to fill that void, but then the risk is that they will channel the minecraft energy into unproductive ends. Ultimately the only person the Q people seem to trust implicitly is Trump (probably for good reason), so it'll be interesting to see what he does (particularly on the 6th, because Trump himself is telling people to appear at the DC rally).
I think Q started as a psyop to keep people from organizing and acting, but now that I'm seeing the Q people out in the streets cracking skulls I'm starting to wonder how successful it was in that regard. Maybe they're not cracking all the right skulls, or there's some skulls they need to crack that they aren't; but they're cracking a lot more skulls than the DR commentators who make youtube videos about the need to crack skulls are.
Maybe they get James Field sentences: then you have a bunch of "back the blue" boomers who no longer have faith in the rule of law. Isn't this the sort of awakening the DR has been dreaming of for years?
I just wish people would check their sources or provide more info on events that they post about.
For Example:
Link to article saying demographics in US are changing.
Look guys, it's totally proof that we're being replaced.
Article is a puff-piece for a far-left tenured professor to sell you a book.
or
Twitter link about how Trump is working against congress again.
Right talking head saying this make the president look strong and he'll get another 4 years.
Coincidentally their pinned tweet in their timeline are links to a book they've made.
Like I get it, all the bad shit and what not we can see being this far out on the fringe but you gotta double check about things and stop acting like /pol/locks and going "IT'S HAPPENING" all the damn time.
Personally, I see little hope in sight and instead keep working to better myself so my eventual snapping and getting gunned down (either for being a loony or in a civil war) leaves more impact. Gettin' fit, gettin' skills up, and general improvement at holding frame.
Sounds glowie I know, but I'm quite out of any hope for a better tomorrow.
I am so beyond blackpilled I feel like I've transcended into a completely different mindset. I will occasionally prod my friends and family with ideas, but they are so locked into the status quo I don't really bother. It is also increasingly hard to relate to people because I essentially consume no pop culture.
I don't know what exactly will come next. However, I believe that a spiritual revival and a rediscovery of value is not only necessary but inevitable, for me and the society at large.
Funny that, I've been seriously mulling over rejoining the church because of everything that's happened these past couple years. Not in a devout way mind you, more for the community, values and structure that it tends to bring. Trouble is most of the Protestant denominations around here are hitched to the woke wagon.
I cannot in good faith call myself Christian. I admire the devout, but I also have found every church I've attended insufferably woke.
Instead, I've turned towards exploring spirituality on my own. Reading the older texts, including the bible and the analects. It's been challenging since of course, these texts require traditional interpretation, however much of the tradition has been corrupted.
I've also found creativity to be an avenue of spiritual exploration. Artistic creation is constrained by aesthetics and is therefore a means to discover the nature of reality. I think this is a very good balance to books which tend to be measured against pure reason which can just as easily lead to insanity.
A word both on materials for further study and on church hunting:
I think you might enjoy a writer and thinker named GK Chesterton. He was a Christian public intellectual during the early 1900s, a time when most intellectuals were going quite mad in a manner comparable to the woke of today. He has a number of writings against all of the intellectual rot of the time that still hold considerable worth; I’d recommend Heretics and then Orthodoxy. I think you’d like him because he was of a similar opinion on limits being the essence of true art and understanding; there must be rules in order for things to be properly enjoyed. He also made a point to show that reason unchecked led often to unsettled intellects.
As for church hunting, I’d recommend simply trying a bunch. While the decentralized nature of Protestantism means that you won’t have a guarantee of certain things, it also means you can usually find some church that offers what you’re looking for. What would you consider to be too woke by the by? It would be important to nail down certain doctrines so you can know where to look.
Lastly, (and I throw this out only as a customary aside), if you are looking in Christianity for just an anti-wokeness, I’d caution you. While Christianity is supposed to be opposed to the world, that isn’t necessarily the primary ‘thing’ so to speak. Just fair warning to be clear what you’re looking for. I believe that Christianity offers a consistent counter to general wokeness better than anything else, but if used only for that purpose it will be lacking. It’s more than that, as you likely know. Just a caution. I’d love to help in any way I can.
I'd be really curious to know which churches he's going to too. There is no doubt a ton of woke churches but there are plenty of those around that still try to follow the tenets of Christianity, even today.
There's a big YMMV especially depending on what part of the US you're in, but ime Baptists are still relatively on the ball. Though the trick's finding a congregation that isn't pharisaical the stereotype of us hating dancing and any movies but the Lord of the Rings has a lot of truth to it lol.
He's just going to have try church hunting. It's a hassle but eh, at least he'll get a better idea of what he (doesn't) want out of a church as he goes about that. Add'ly, if the woke churches are as woke as the ones I've read about, they'll make it pretty clear either by having rainbow flags up or their pastors will invoke "social justice", or "diversity", "inclusion", and those other words wokeists like to use.
I hear the Eastern Orthodox are pretty good, the ones I've heard talk on youtube and the like seem pretty level-headed anyway. I'd try going to an Eastern Orthodox church if my area actually had any.
Orthodoxy is on my list, I'll definitely check out Heretics as well.
At this point, I attend the church the majority of my family attends. It's ridiculously woke (they had a seminar on truth and reconciliation earlier this year), but until I figure some other things out, I think that there's value in being with family.
I see. That is pretty woke. However, as you say there is value to being with family, especially now. For looking around though, this is actually one of the better times to do so, since most churches have worked hard to be reliably online due to Covid. It’s not a perfect way of figuring them out, but it’s easier than ever to get a general idea of a church than ever before. Figure out what you’re looking for and then check around.
If you don't mind, could you expand on your last point there?
You know when people quest for "pure reason" by unreasonably disregarding everything their emotions consider unreasonable? You end up becoming a LessWrong cultist.
To start with, the sense of beauty is a natural thing we are born with. It's hard to say why, but there seems to be an innate association between goodness, health and beauty. When you go up to the mountains and just see nature in all its glory, or watch a sunset across the sea there is a sense of wonder. Add a cabin to the mountains, or a lone boat on the horizon, and that sense of wonder may even be enhanced. You might ask who is there, that appreciates nature so much that they can't watch it from far away, but need to be surrounded. Replace all the trees with apartments and fill the horizon with freight ships, is that wonder preserved?
Now, the interesting thing is that ideas can be beautiful. There is an aesthetic to mathematics, simple and symmetrical ideas are often the truest. There is an aesthetic to programming, which is the tool I use. Elegant algorithms can often solve problems with less code and fewer potential errors. In philosophy too, there can be beautiful ideas. There's a beauty in a phrases such as "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" or "from each according to his ability to each according to his need". Two morally opposite phrases both share this quality of beauty. Now, it becomes apparent that beauty and good have a dubious relationship. Why is that?
I'm speculating here, but I think that the difference is the relationship with reality. It is the act of constraining our creations, forcing them to conform to something, whether it's our sense of aesthetic or mathematical axioms, that imbues the beautiful with the good. Therefore, the good artist lets external beauty be a guide to his thinking. The bad artist tries to impose his internal reason on the outside world.
This interplay between beauty, goodness, and the mind and hand of a creator forms the basis of some kind of spirituality.
I've been doing some hobby coding, creating small simulations and virtual art.
I've also been reading books. I am partly through Hoppe's, "Democracy the god that failed". I plan on doing a series of posts about the books that I read, starting with this one.
Yeah, I'd say art is the easiest way to become interesting. Thanks to years of mandatory education, I can ad lib a short speech on the interpretation of my creations, which Hoppe would frown at.
Oddly, I've found that there's a big proportion of normies that are not too fond of democracy. I have also prodded on this point, but this seems to stem from a relativist "all systems are essentially the same" view as opposed to any tangible analysis.
i found the best way to approach this is in a purely shittalkey brainstorming way.
when you just stare into the void with a beer in hand and a smile on your face, just pretend to think about what form of democracy you even would want. expand on the original greek meaning, go over what we actually should have, a representative republic, to the existing mob-rule which can be easily steered by tptb... all while forming it more as questions to yourself than as statements.
that helped me tune down my, granted, aggressive (or rather frustrated) style of talking and makes ppl who are not used to talking about these things or haven't even thought about them way more open.
I'd be interested in seeing those. Maybe too blackpilled but feels like everything is rotting faster than we expected.
Unfortunately, that would be doxing myself :(
Definitely not asking for that. I'll see if I can find that book you mentioned. Thanks.
Knowing narcissists in charge they will take authorship over introduction of those values after they erase their existence in the past just so they can write themselves down in history as people who brought humanity from the brink.
I believe there needs to be a clear push towards being openly pro-white. Not just "right wing" or "non-racist" but white people firmly in favour of the race they are. Anything else is essentially being suicidal. I don't think Trump is going to make that push, but the people after him have to.
I would once again suggest people check out the videos by Asha Logos as well.
So I'm guessing you still haven't worked out who wants a race war then?
White privilege was a female invention.
It's not about who wants one, it's about if people will stand up for who they are. If white people will not stand up and believe that they should exist and have places explicitly for them, then they will lose either way. The fastest way to lose a war is to deny that the war is even taking place.
I think we're going to have to learn how to build real-world self-sufficient communities again. Act like outsiders settling a strange land with a hostile native population. Then it becomes a question of trying to find a region where that's both feasible and where the hostility of the native population is minimal.
I also work for a globohomo megacorp. One thing I will say is that there are a lot of powerful people whose entire fortune is tied up in globohomo megacorp stock, and they will exert gargantuan levels of effort to keep that system afloat. Bet against that at your peril. I'd rather have land, self-sufficiency skills, and community as a hedge against the system collapsing than anything else.
I have been thinking along similar lines. If I had money now, I’d be looking at buying as much land as I possibly could. The potential downside to that being if they really want to strip people of land in the future, they can make taxed prohibitively high, but cross that bridge when we get to it.
I think that’s kind of where we’re headed, some kind of gated community/tiny city-states, where no one is claiming to be politically autonomous, or attempting to live off the grid, they just live surrounded by private land, and take care of their own stuff, for the most part.
The more self-sufficient the community can be, the more immune to external pressure it is. Remember when LA was turning off power and water to houses where people were holding parties? Doesn't work if you have your own standalone power and water infrastructure.
The trick will be gatekeeping the hell out of the communities and building up whatever legal infrastructure will be necessary to allow that gatekeeping to occur.
All the Science fiction about dystopian futures, when we're already living in it. I think it's going to get much worse, possibly indefinitely.
I can survive too, but I don't know what genuine thriving would even feel like anymore.
This pretty much sums up my view on Q.
Ironically a lot of the DR people* who shit on Q because it's "absurd" and "unrealistic" will defend religious faith against similar criticism from the non-religious on utilitarian grounds of it being "socially useful".
Full disclosure: I was in the "absurd" and "unrealistic" camp until quite recently when I saw footage of Q boomers out on the streets beating the shit out of some Antifa and realized they were far more useful than the "it's a big club and you ain't in it" fatalist wing of the DR ever would be.
* Targeting people like Devon Stack and Paul Ramsay with this criticism, not you.
If the plan doesn't pan out a lot of people are going to be pissed and will be primed to accept the idea that even a "4d chessmaster" can't fix our problems all by himself.
I think the minecraft energy would be there, but the risk is it's an army without officers. Officers will eventually appear to fill that void, but then the risk is that they will channel the minecraft energy into unproductive ends. Ultimately the only person the Q people seem to trust implicitly is Trump (probably for good reason), so it'll be interesting to see what he does (particularly on the 6th, because Trump himself is telling people to appear at the DC rally).
I think Q started as a psyop to keep people from organizing and acting, but now that I'm seeing the Q people out in the streets cracking skulls I'm starting to wonder how successful it was in that regard. Maybe they're not cracking all the right skulls, or there's some skulls they need to crack that they aren't; but they're cracking a lot more skulls than the DR commentators who make youtube videos about the need to crack skulls are.
Maybe they get James Field sentences: then you have a bunch of "back the blue" boomers who no longer have faith in the rule of law. Isn't this the sort of awakening the DR has been dreaming of for years?
I just wish people would check their sources or provide more info on events that they post about.
For Example:
or
Like I get it, all the bad shit and what not we can see being this far out on the fringe but you gotta double check about things and stop acting like /pol/locks and going "IT'S HAPPENING" all the damn time.
Personally, I see little hope in sight and instead keep working to better myself so my eventual snapping and getting gunned down (either for being a loony or in a civil war) leaves more impact. Gettin' fit, gettin' skills up, and general improvement at holding frame.
Sounds glowie I know, but I'm quite out of any hope for a better tomorrow.