Anyone plan on watching the Amazon series? I was excited at first but considering the time we live in I’m wary. I have to read the rest of the Trilogy and I found the Simillarion for 1.50. I heard the show will adapt the Simillarion. I was excited about the Wheel of Time series till I heard that the idiot director has more interest in women points than adapting the story. I’m on book 11 of that series.
So is anyone giving LOTR a chance?
Nope. We had 3 decent movies, and we still have the books.
The forthcoming series will be poorly written garbage, wearing Tolkien's skin to give it the veneer of legitimacy.
Why do they even bother adapting older books or movies. They have zero desire of being faithful to the source material. I’m a life long comic book collector and I recently found some reprints of the Eternals comic books. I wanted to read them since I highly doubt Disney/Marvel will be showing Kirby’s vision
Because occasionally you get something like Barry Lyndon, the Jeremy Brett Adventures of Sherlock Holmes TV series, or the George C. Scott A Christmas Carol.
Particularly Sherlock Holmes: I had been a fan of that series for years before I read the original short stories and was amazed at how much of the plot and details were specific to the show because of how seamless it all was.
Unfortunately all of these were made in a time where people actually valued the source material, instead of forcing their own viewpoints and substandard writing into them.
Jeremy Brett is the best Holmes by a mile.
Good points. I loved all the ones you mentioned. My mom was a huge murder mystery fan so I was exposed to Sherlock Holmes at a young age.
Agreed! Brett's Sherlock Holmes was divine!
Because they think stories work by homeopathy. It gives them a basic, proven world and story, without the hassle of making their own, that they think they can fuck with. Said fucking is also usually done with an air of asserting ownership, and signalling a virtue, either corporate trendiness (LotR as GOT) or political correctness (gender and race bending).
In other words, I don't think they can see the damage they cause, because the endeavour is to distort the source material for their own purposes.
Because those franchises already have an audience who will turn up, no matter what you these studios put out.
One of the LOTR TV Show's writers: https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1603861634041.png
The only thing I've heard about it is that it will have nudity. So, it won't be LoTR. It won't have anything to do with Tolkein. It will be garbage. Save yourself from it by not having anything to do with it.
I feel dumb now. I really thought they would respect Tolkien’s vision.
Tolkien's a white male. Why on Earth would you think that?
I guess since he is so legendary. I heard that his son did a good job preserving the legacy when he was alive.
I was pretty shocked, as well. Because his family has been super-protective of his legacy. The only thing I can think of, is that they must also be getting quite older themselves, and his legacy is probably now handled more by his family's lawyers than his family.
Still.... When it comes out, there will be reviews. If our fears were unfounded, then well and good. But, to be honest, I already thought the "Shadow of Mordor" games were pretty sacrilegious. So, I don't have high hopes.
I wouldn't say you're right to feel dumb. The Tolkien family was extremely aggressive in protecting the IP. However, Christopher Tolkien died earlier this year... and now look what we get
Clearly they were waiting for the right opportunity
No. They've already hinted at tasteless nudity. The races of elves and men will probably have no coherent ancestral aesthetic. Bet it's a shitshow.
Probably not. I doubt it will be a worthwhile addition in any meaningful respect.
If anybody hasn't, I highly suggest listening to the audiobooks of LotR read by Rob Inglis. They're very good, and you can find them on the high seas.
Cool! I’m gonna finish reading the trilogy in the next few months.
BBC 81 radio adaptation is better than the movies as well.
I'm just glad Jackson didn't get tl cuck out like he wanted.
Of course he did make Aragorn conflicted for no goddamn discernable reason, threw him off a cliff and almost killed Viggo Mortenson (literally - Viggo almost drowned in the river because of that scene) in the process.
He tried to shoehorn Arwen into everything like Helm's Deep (that's why the elves were there), replaced Glorfindel with her, because "not having women in the book was pRoBlEmAtIc" and women wouldn't see the movies without it. Yes even then Hollywood tried to be woke. This bullshit isn't new.
He WANTED to become King partly so he could smash some hot elf girl pussy...
Aragorn doesn't need to be relatable and Peter Jackson is a fat sack of shit who gets all the credit for accidentally catching lightning in a bottle. The book is not about Aragorn. He's a supporting character.
Also Ian Holm is a better Frodo in that version than Elijah Wood's "I cry for Aragorn every chance I get like a little bitch".
I could write my own book on how bad the movies fucked up the novel
Be highly skeptical of anything made after 2015. I still try things but have quick reflexes on the eject button if I detect any white guilt or hamfisted feminism.
One plot device the uncreative writers seems to like is a "time travel" plot where modern characters go into the past US then point out and complain about all the racism/sexism.
If a series has hot chicks showing their tits that is a sign they might not be AS pandering to the woke crowd since the blue haired fatties always complain about that kind of stuff.
You aren’t kidding about the “going back in time to discuss racism/sexism”. I’m so sick of it. My parents taught me racism is bad. I don’t need endless reminders.
For me it’s anything after 2014 that I’m skeptical of.
The ones I saw and remember that had it were legends of tomorrow season 2, umbrella academy season 2, and the final agents of shield season but at that point the show was a dumpster fire so no big loss.
Well, I'm not.
The Silmarillion is my favorite book of the franchise. Frankly I agree with the conventional wisdom of the past that you simply can't adapt it for screen. Dune is hard to adapt. Silmarillion is impossible to adapt. You can't tell a third person omniscient story with gods on the screen and have it come out serious.
Can’t wait to read it. Couldn’t believe I found it so cheap.
Thanks. I think I’ll be ok. I’ve read a lot of fantasy and sci fi epics (currently on wheel of time) and as a Christian I’ve read lots of the Bible so hopefully that will help me when I start on it. If not I’ll check out the audiobook
That's true, but even without that trying to adapt the Silmarillion would be a lost cause IMO. Its more a history/legends book rather than a straight narrative. You've got time-skips all over the place, you've got major characters dropping in and dropping out, and things just aren't fleshed out in enough detail for a film.
Take the Nírnaeth Arnoediad, for example. It's one of the most important battles in Middle Earth history, and yet the whole thing (in my paperback copy anyway) - from the planning to the last axe swing - is 9 pages. Hollywood is just incapable of dealing with that sort of thing. Peter Jackson's Hobbit treatment suggests they'll want to expand it out into a massive battle sequence there's just not enough information for that short of making it half an hour of elf on orc (and vice versa) stabbing sequences. And we saw how that panned out with tons of dwarf on orc (and vice versa) stabbing sequences.
The fact that the Hobbit movies can be condensed by a fan into a 4hr version that is literally an exact adaptation of the book, and still be coherent, shows you how good the production team was. Literally all the complaints about them can be removed without messing it up too much. It also shows how bad Hollywood is at fucking with a good thing.
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LOTR died with Christopher Tolkien.
I'd rather listen to the audiobooks.
i am prepared: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkerThanMordor/
The only saving grace for Tolkien adaptations was the fact that the Tolkien Estate has been VERY protective of the IP. This may change with the recent death of Christopher Tolkien, but we will see.
I thought this show mainly dealt with the second age, but I could be wrong.
I'll give it a shot, but I am not optimistic.
There’s not a single cultural problem in America that would keep me from watching a high budget entry in LOTR media. Do I think it will be good though? I dunno, signs point to no but Amazon also put out Jack Ryan
Whaaat?! I loved Jack Ryan. Dude was fucking bitches and whooping terrorist ass. It’s definitely shallow but I don’t recall any wokeness