I'm prepared for my downvotes.
A ton of libertarians are making very good points, and deservedly calling out the admin for their terrible stances. The "conservative" position is that if you're carrying a gun and magazines, you're a terrorist. If you film feds, you're a terrorist. If you interact with feds while armed, you deserve to die.
I see a lot of people drawing comparisons between this and Ruby Ridge, or the Bundy standoff. You can say the admin is just misspeaking, but it's still troubling seeing so many conservatives getting on board with speech that would justify the execution of the Bundy boys and the like.
You can be anti-leftist, anti-agitator, anti-communist...and also against the government lying about an American they just killed.
A ton of conservatives are being absolutely fucking retarded.
Legally carrying or not it's not a good idea to have a firearm if you're going to try to interfere with law enforcement.
One hundred percent agreed...but also irrelevant if we're just talking about the messaging coming from Trump and his people.
If the issue is Alex Pretti's actions, focus on those actions. Not that he possessed a gun.
However badly Pretti behaved, the discourse coming from a massive chunk of "conservatives" is incredibly retarded and disappointing. They're living up to the 'bootlicker' attack.
With the lighting and his hair, the still before the video plays almost makes him look like Biden. LOL.
Also, anyone who falls for Newom's crap is an absolute dumbass though. I despise the rhetoric coming out of the Trump admin at the moment, but if you switch to Newsom because you want to protect 2A, you're a special brand of stupid.
But, yeah, the messaging here has been absurd. Trump, Noem, Miller, Kash, and tons of others have attacked 2A, and lied about a dead American who was killed by federal agents. No matter how you feel about Alex Pretti, that should be concerning. So many people are choosing to ignore it because their team did the killing this time.
Yeah, that's bad. I know it's slowmo, so it's a little deceptive because it makes reaction times look different...but the guy removes the gun in clear view of the guy that shoots him in the back, it looks like.
Which also probably means I'm wrong with this post, and it wasn't an ND, although I'd have to go through again and check...but that shot to the back might be the first one. Like I said, both that and the P320 link up audio-wise, but only one can be true.
I'll look over it later, I'm moving on to other things in a bit here.
You don't always see the barrel flash. I'm not saying it's definitive, but it's certainly possible. It matches up with timing...but so does the other guy, that I think you mentioned.
That's the tricky thing with this; once you start looking, you can connect all sorts of dots. Whether or not they actually connect.
But it's definitely possible that the gun goes off. And the slide certainly seems to be back. But it is bad quality, and all sorts of things could be happening.
There are versions that go frame-by-frame that show the slide back. It looks like that's what happened; it was either a gun failure (it was a Sig P320, which are notorious for that), or the agent was a moron who had his finger on the trigger.
But, yeah, the first shot is fired accidentally into the ground by an agent. What an absolute disaster of an event.
Slowed down version: https://x.com/Landeur/status/2015191223900803407
And that wasn't even why I banned him.
As I said in my other comment, he's an untrustworthy cyberterrorist and sitewide ban evader. Shitting up threads aside, he doesn't belong here; he turned himself into a mega-toxic asset.
I've defended his speech previously. I don't defend his actions.
If anyone has any complaints, I'm all ears.
I will say, I think we've been pretty hands off, much less strict than Dom, done a good job so far, and one of the first things we did was finally get rid of R16 (and other stuff), as well as open up the filter a little.
I've been extremely hands off, as the main thing I wanted was to be able to nuke actual outsiders who come in to troll, which was a problem when we had no mod at all. I helped with some of the changes, but was not the leader on that.
I did two main things personally: The first was pin the mod logs to the side bar for moderator accountability, which I'd been asking for for years. I urge everyone to take a look from time to time, to make sure no one is power tripping.
The other thing was ban Imp. To be clear, not for his speech. For ban evasion, spam, admitted bad faith actions (he said he wanted to be banned, and was here to punish us all, essentially.) Most importantly, he's a sitewide ban evader, for really fucking sketchy reasons. He's not the Imp some knew and loved; he's a deranged phisher and a doxxer. He's essentially a cyberterrorist, and deserved the ban one hundred percent. Again, to be clear, I did not ban Imp for his speech. I liked his old antics too, and disagree with most of his bans here. But he crossed the line way too many times on some other issues, and has no place here. That's on him.
As I keep saying, my issue is the incompetence.
If the argument is fighting demons, I want my demon fighters competent and ready. Not a bunch of thugs who could kill anyone. And they seem to be going down the latter road, at least some of them.
My issue is the incompetence. If you want reciprocal violence, that's one thing. But this isn't 'based leftoid removal' or anything. It's incompetent fedbois blasting a dude because they're incapable of restraining him, and too quick to jump to the extreme option.
It's mostly leftists recording ICE but, as an American, I reserve the right to as well. And if I did, I do think I'd be in danger, because ICE in their present form is that incompetent and unhinged. It's gotten really bad.
Americans shouldn't have to fear feds killing them in the streets for filming. That's terrorism, and that's kind of where we are, no matter how you feel about leftists.
It's like ICE is trying to prove the leftist lunatics correct on their wild claims about ICE.
I'm not a fan of this shoot, but I'm not sure your description is accurate. I don't think they were policing riots, they were probably doing more raids, and then dealing with people who were obstructing. The guy who got shot was in the middle of the road being a nuisance.
They handled it terribly in my opinion, but they weren't policing riots, they were removing agitators that were messing with them. Similar, but different.
Yeah, but we can't have fedbois out there unjustly killing people.
The dude was probably a retard and a traitor (he was blocking the street and causing trouble, it seems), and if he'd been killed while on his feet and clearly drawing a gun, yeah, that's on him.
But if fedbois are this inept and this ready to use lethal force, that's a danger to all of us. Most of the people filming ICE are leftist agitators, but you do have a right to film in public...and ICE doesn't like that.
I'd be afraid to film ICE, and I could literally get killed for it, even if I support what they're doing at the time, and am not disrupting them.
That's an incredibly bad scenario for all Americans, no matter how you feel about leftist traitors.
I'll wait and see more, but initially, I'm going against the grain on this one. This was a major ICE fuckup. Even if the guy drew a gun, it should not have gotten to that point. Yeah, he shouldn't resist or provoke (if he did the latter.) He certainly shouldn't draw a gun, if he did.
But ICE should be trained enough where six guys can detain one dumbass who's already on the ground, without using lethal force. Grab his fucking arms. This was incompetent nonsense, and resulted in the death of (I think) an American citizen.
If you have to use lethal force on a guy who's on the ground and surrounded by you and your buddies, you've messed up. ONE trained guy should be able to take down a guy on the ground. Two certainly should. Six ABSOLUTELY should.
Again, I'll wait for more information, but I doubt I'll be defending this shoot. Looks bad.
Women definitely have a massive advantage...but still have to know how to play to the crowd. It still takes some skill, as well as luck and perseverance.
Not every woman can sit down in front of a cam and make it huge. Heck, they can't even on OnlyFans, if you look at the numbers; some make millions, but the average is essentially zero.
My bigger issue with streaming and discoverability is that almost all of the biggest streamers are in agencies, even if they don't advertise that. Men, women...it's all largely fake, and you can't get into the club without an invite, usually. And it costs your soul.
Regardless of what they're doing now, the end goal is to control everything.
"You will own nothing and be happy." (They don't actually care about the happiness though.)
There will be shutoff switches and other control mechanisms in everything; cars, computers, fridges, toasters, and your very electricity. If things progress far enough...you. You will have a killswitch. That's what they want.
Yup. A lot of people are being so tribal they act like if you condemn the government, you like Alex Pretti and think he did nothing wrong. He was a shitty communist who was a bit of a jackass. The killing was still likely unjustified (in my opinion), and the narrative after the fact is definitely disgusting.
Both can be true. I'm not on Pretti's "side" or anything. Alex Fucked Around, Found Out. The feds Fucked Up.