Politely, I disagree. I see where your logic is coming from - I just don't see it as a possible solution given the sheer amount of voter fraud going on. It's not a coincidence this is happening in places where Democrats have control of all the voting apparatus. All those people who checked Biden and mailed it in... Doesn't explain all the votes that were Biden only. The people who were so willing to put a check next to Biden's name that you describe weren't interested in down ballot voting, like, at all?
Coming weeks going to be fun - we'll have leaks before we have news. I also think the Democratic party is on the verge of exploding like an overfilled balloon, far too much corruption - and it's not like Trump wasn't aware of this, or the entire nation wasn't. Media is hoping to just play him off stage as part of their script. We'll see where it goes.
Eh, I think it might be more like a UK thing. If the Trump base and the GOP become incompatible, the momentum is heavily on the Trump base. And when I look at say Sean Parnell, or Cawthorn, I'm not seeing the same old.
I'm happy to thank Trump, but I don't think he's done. If they can do all the legal stuff and get it sorted out to a fair non frauded vote? Those are rules to be played by. If they decide that it can't be done by Dec.14th and it's all tied up, Pool is pointing out it goes to State electors, which is a guaranteed Trump win, so we're going to have a very fun next month and a week or so.
I don't feel demoralized though.
I am supremely confident that Trump will win through the court and investigations. Here's the thing: For the Democrats to win they had to cheat. There was no path to victory for them, at any point, without cheating. They had to do it, and Trump had to be watching & willing to fight back - which he's doing. We have endless proof of voter fraud (all the dead people voting, dead people who magically requested ballots...), Project Veritas has like three or four videos on voter fraud in the last few weeks with proof, we've got the ballot room's being covered up so no one can see, we've got official observers being kicked out of ballot rooms and not allowed in even with legal voters. And about five or six other things I haven't even mentioned.
Why all this obvious bullshit?
Because they have to do it. They can't claim Biden won without at least having the votes for him. They have to do it, otherwise they can't get the number of ballots they need. And that's what you hang them out to dry with. You catch them red fucking handed with the spotlight on them - and the media and Twitter are going all in. Twitter has censored Trump multiple times, the media is ignoring almost everything about voter fraud, hand-waiving it, a very "No, there's a reason for everything even though none of it makes any sense, just trust us."
No, no one trusts you, and Trump is going to the courts, and there's proof all over the place but beyond that. We can find out who was in the ballot counting rooms, who was delivering ballots days later and stamping them Nov.3rd, etc.
The real problem is the nearly half the country who's been primed to believe that Trump is evil. The left doesn't have anything to lose: they're either the cheating piece of shit bad guys, or if they're lucky with their smearing, they're just one of two bad parties, "a plague on both their houses" to hurt Trump. They wanted to make it about power, and their power won't be enough vs. Trump's power. But I think things are about to get super crazy. I wouldn't be surprised if there are re-votes, or people going to jail and we don't know a single thing until a day before inauguration. Meanwhile the media and Twitter especially are going "Hey, we won, we won, it's over, Trump, you leave now, it's all over." The next step is "He hasn't conceded, this is a coup! Prepare for dark days!"
The only dark days coming is them being forced to acknowledge court and Supreme Court rulings and showing the voter fraud.
Colbert is the equivalent of that guy from V for Vendetta, the late night TV guy - except, he's the left's version. And the modern American left version is someone who cries on TV because he knows half his audience is crying - then he goes off TV and enjoys his money and whatever power he has.
Yeah, we know this is going to the courts, and we know there's massive voter fraud.
Dem's will never accept it though. Doesn't matter if you can show them dead people who requested ballots and voted, doesn't matter if you show them boarding up the ballot counting room so people can't see inside, doesn't matter that even with legal court orders to let the observers into the ballot counting room they were denied.
The average Democrat voter is highly misinformed, but even without that, they hate Trump so much they'd straight faced tell you "No, I just want all the vote to be counted, legally, and that's what happened." and go to sleep at night going "Heh, you know, I don't really care. It's what should've happened, I'll take it."
When Trump wins this in the courts and they've shown the voter fraud even more clearly than already - I think at that point, you're looking at Democrats in jail and likely the party being shattered. 2022 is going to be even worse for them than to 2020. But I also think there will be a reckoning in the GOP as well - the GOP seems mostly dead in the water outside of Trump and a handful of others.
To be fair, American politics has been so corrupt and so fucked up for so long at this point that anyone who started doing it right would be attacked as if they were Hitler. Doesn't mean they're all corrupt, but I would not be surprised if like 30-50% of them were straight up corrupt, and another 15-25% who had broken laws but sort of at the level of a parking ticket, but are repeat offenders x500
This is the thing. We all know awful corrupt illegal and immoral shit is done by politicians on a regular basis. But when it comes time to do something about it, it's "NOT MY SIDE!!!!!!!!"
Trump has a better chance at cleaning those fuckers out, but the left is going to lose it's mind. I generally feel that when the right is corrupt, it's... different than the left. Not that they're not both corrupt, but it's like a different texture. Like ice cream, but different flavors of corruption. There's one type of corruption you're more likely to find on the left, and another kind on the right, but they can both do bad shit.
On the other hand, I like Ted Cruz and think he's pretty clean and a good person and good politician. About two or so years ago, I told that to an online friend of maybe half a year, that I thought Ted Cruz was a good guy. That friend went bye bye instantly, after their outrage about how evil he was. Then I see the left defend Adam Schiff and I go do something else before my mind implodes.
I don't think this is "Regardless of how this ends." I think it was specifically part of the Democrat strategy.
They cheat. They always cheat. This is not news to anyone who's even mildly politically literate. They cheat in slimy, skeevy ways and swear they haven't and hope they get away with it. Sometimes they do.
At this point, too many people know. A fair vote is a loss for them, as we've seen so far. They're trying to claim Biden got more votes than any other President ever - when he couldn't get people to show up to an event, while Trump literally had the biggest, if not close to the biggest, rallies of all time. It fits the left-wing narrative: "We've been #Resisting for 4 years, of course more of us voted than ever! Orange Man Bad REEEEEEEEEEE!" They'll believe it to the grave, even if no one gives a flying fuck about senile 'ol Joe who can't say words properly, let alone the corruption.
The goal was this: If we can't win by cheating, we'll destroy faith in institution, in our election - that way, when Trump is on term two, we will double-down harder on him being illegitimate, a fascist, etc. If you can't win, a plague on BOTH parties political houses is better than a plague on just the loser's party.
For me, I don't just want a Trump victory, even if it requires the courts. I want the house cleaned. Every voter fraud they can prove, every person involved, off to court they go, jail sentences, everything. I wouldn't mind if the ring leaders were put in jail for treason if they could prove they knowingly defrauded an election. The institutions do need protecting, they're kind of our pillars.
This one has been going around, but anyone else think in a way, we're fighting Democratic simps?
The argument here is that it's a secret ballot - you're not supposed to be able to see what other people voted for, to link someone's name to their vote. It's a secret ballot.
But what they're doing is essentially: "Honey! Phones are private, you know? I have some private stuff on their with other people, and we need to respect their privacy, and it really upsets me that you don't trust me." Look at the phone though and find them riding the cock carousel.
Democrats seem to be simping for this. Trust the system! They're all valid, mail in ballots, of course they'd go like 99.99% for Biden! And there would be just enough, always, to beat Trump in any state! Aren't you worried about trust in our institutions!? They need your trust right now, so trust in them. It feels like hardcore desperate simping. Or gaslighting via desperation - they want to believe it SO badly, they NEED to believe it that it just becomes their reality and they'll defend it to the death.
I really do kind of see it that way.
It's the "I'm a good one, right? I voted against the Bad Orange Man, I'm intersectional, I'm for feminism. Can I get laid now please?"
Sorry to hear that :( I think those people, even with calm, are really difficult to talk to. Like, you can try and go what rights are, what the constitution is, basic civics... And when it's OBVIOUS you're correct, easy to prove, can cite fifty legal cases... they won't listen. They'll try and change topic super fast.
And they never fucking ever put in the work to go READ the damn constitution. It's not like we need to ask them to read all the Federalist papers.
It's sort of reversed from my point of view. I didn't pay attention to politics until my 30s, so my teens and 20s were the default, stock "left is good, right is bad." Fox news viewers? Idk if they're bad people, but they're not very smart. I feel pretty differently today of course, but at this point, I feel like the Dem voters and the MSNBC and CNN watchers are 10x worse than i felt about the right and fox viewers in the past. Like... just basic Civics 101? They don't have it. They don't even know why they say the Constitution is bad, just "IZ BAD PAPER. RACISM."
Really wonder if this will sway any Dems (if it reaches them even). If someone's a Dem voter and sees all this shit, sees the verification, and still votes for him...
I'm almost certain that during the final debate, tomorrow, Trump will chose to ignore a question and try to publicly speak about the laptop, the e-mails, Joe being corrupt and selling access and peddling influence as VP - and they'll mute him. They'll say he's a liar, and that he's as bad as Hitler, so they're silencing his lies or some bullshit.
Shit like this Twitter ban of the NY Post is the pre-cursor to censoring the President directly on national TV during a debate. "Twitter won't let him lie, so we won't either." type of logic. I want to see that kind of thing happen, because if a country let's it's President be silenced on national TV I want every citizen to see it and every country around the world to see it too.
Don't think that'll work. It'll work for some of them who aren't too far gone or something.
More like I think we'll get some strange racist organization that swears Trump is the devil because X/Y/Z, etc. Or maybe just a smaller cult. I don't know. Maybe they'll all just be the 2020+ version of the weird dude in Stranger Things who lives in his basement drinking non stop and spinning out crazy theories (but less nice, I liked that guy)
Try venturing over into r/politics. You won't find a mention of the laptop stuff. I scrolled down the first few pages you get and there's not a single topic touching on it. It's all looney-tunes crazy shit lefties smearing shit on the walls and pretending it's news.
Since I just got finished with reading the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich what strikes me most is the author, who was in Germany at the time, travelled outside too, was all over the world and such pointed out something: Anywhere he picked up a newspaper outside of Germany, it was basically "What the fuck is Germany doing? Why are they starting all this shit, attacking, lying plainly, and oh god the Nazi's. What the fuck!?" Inside Germany? "Churchill is a warmonger!" "Churchill wants war!" etc. etc.
You could in some instances pick up newspapers from the outside world (though in a very, very limited amount, in very specific areas, and almost no circulation), or if you had a radio that was able to catch the BBC and wasn't confiscated, maybe you could get the news.
That's what r/politics looks like to me, and r/politics looks pretty damn similar to the mainstream media to me. Block the truth. Rile up your people with propaganda and disinformation for years on end. Except this time there's a counter narrative - Internet, alternative media, social media (despite it's censorious nature) allow enough for the counter narrative to exist and get out. Now, after WW2 they had to start a de-Nazification program because the people were that screwed up. Here, it's not as bad as that, but it's at least 25-50% as bad as that at the extremes. The incoming Trump victory isn't going to just magically make those people go "Oh. We were wrong, our bad." We're going to have a generation of people who are racist, bigoted, anti-reality who've cut off family and friends and surrounded themselves with like-minded fanatics. How the FUCK is that going to play out?
They 100% do believe their own shit - that's why it's so bad right now. The polarization has pushed partisan Democrats way past the breaking line to the point they're not able to able to tell the people calling themselves "anti-racist" are literally racist by any definition. And those who are just useful idiots fall into the same category: they can't tell, but those people at least if you can talk to them can wake up.
If that doesn't make it clear for them, it's hard to understand what will. The left is a really huge fan of tyranny of the majority. The answer is always going to be the same: there is a Constitution, there are laws, and in this case an Electoral College purposefully meant to stop tyranny of the majority, that is one of if not it's main purpose. The US does not operate based on a show of hands, it operates based upon the law. If you find the EC to be a problem, I'm sure they can try and get rid of it legally but I'd like to see them try without starting a civil war. Perhaps maybe learn to play the game by the rules instead of trying to destroy the game.
Indeed! I posted that link here, and I like that theory, but I think it's only part of it. I mean it coincides with the lower rates of religiosity and patriotism as well. Or did the brainwashing of de-Nazification cause that lowering of religiosity and patriotism? :)
I saw someone else, seriously, suggesting that because there was de-Nazification in Germany after WW2, that the US should do that right now because the right is so evil, blah blah, and the US failed to do the same thing after the Civil War.
Gotta wonder at what point the schools will start teaching US history and basic civics again.
I mean sure, id be happy as a pig in shit to play vidya all day, but that doesnt pay the bills nor does it put my own kids through school. Im half way through a mortgage and your talking as if I could just drop everything and do what i want to make myself happy, I disagree, the sacrifice I make with my time to make my wife and childrens lives better is far more important, thats how I get my fulfilment.
Why do you presume I meant people would chose to spend their 24 hours playing video games? That doesn't add up to me past a certain age.
My meaning was more between choosing a path of "Well, I guess I went to school, and now I'm working this office job where I spend 40 hours staring at a screen under fluorescent lights doing work I don't like, plus an hour and change in transit every day, but I guess that's how it is." vs. all the other options out there. Because there are other options out there. I've got a friend for example who doesn't have the kids but has the mortgage and works part time at a garage + also gets paid for picking up/delivering cars that are being sold long distance - he likes the driving, plus it pays pretty well to drive half way across the country, then back again. It's sure as hell not an office job, yet he's happier than at any office job he's worked.
Not saying office jobs are death, but like Peterson says, mostly people have jobs not careers. You can still provide for your family and find meaning in your work that way, but you can also find work that's more agreeable with you. There's a sense of "If I don't follow the path, rise up the ladder, then it's all awful, nothing else works." And that's blatantly untrue - we're just like horses with blinders in a sense, looking at that one solution, the whole highschool > uni > office thing. There are other options.
Demoralization has something to do with it, but it's definitely not all of it. The way I see it breaking down is like this:
Success: Currently, the United States is basically the best place on the world to live. For all it's problems, pretty much anyone can be self-sustaining at a level that provides more than most people in history. Getting to say, 17-18$/hr is not the most challenging thing ever, even 20$/hr is like a few years and basically one promotion away from the bottom tier or two if you apply yourself even with just a high school education. It's a very safe country. Medical is problematic but also so much better than even 50 years ago it's not even close. If you can have all of those things, then some people just don't give a shit about politics and enjoy their life.
Apathy: From success or demoralization. Either you don't care because as far as you're concerned nothing political really affects you and there's nothing you can really do about it -or- things are so shitty and bad and you're just one person and there's nothing you can do about it. Either way, you don't care.
Self-Determination: In large part decreased, and decreased a lot. A huge majority of people view life as "School > University > Career." That's the path. That's the only one for success, doesn't demand you think about what you truly want that much - just follow that path and you'll be fine. It's the rails they plan their lives by. As a result of this being so common, many people never question it. If you don't ask yourself "Is it really better that I work in an office job until 10PM staring at a screen 5 days a week for a few years looking for a promotion? What else could I do?" It's made things much more NPC like in many regards, and makes people less content as a result. Even when people stop think "What else could I do?" they just mostly think of doing some other job, weigh pros and cons, etc. They don't think things like "How would I prefer to spend my 24hrs?" so they can't even come to solutions that would improve their lives greatly. Like a horse with blinders.
Saw it posted on KiA. Saw it closed down by KiA admin before anyone even responded. Came to KiA2.win.
He doesn't get much attention but he puts out some good content, and I figured people here would appreciate this one specifically. The idea that a lot of what we're experiencing today comes from the attempts at de-Nazification of Nazi Germany right after the war ended is one I hadn't heard of before or really knew much about and it does fit nicely with Yuri Bezmenov's four stages.
While reading up on WW2 history, I mostly stopped with the end of the war. I didn't know pretty much at all about the de-Nazification attempts - which clearly make sense. It also makes me sort of see the German people both before and after as almost a test group: it took like a bit more than a decade for them to fall under Nazi ideology and be accepting of it and worse, engaging with it. Then, after, you have de-Nazification, which is a good thing, but is also basically an open psy-op that also takes hold on them, but also takes a good amount of time. What does that say about people in general? Enough propaganda, enough violence and stuff spreads like a wildfire?
Time to read Gad Saad's new book, The Parasitic Mind :)
There are many reasons, but it's basically a couple days after the election, fraud is likely still going on as we speak, there are a myriad of videos with evidence - and even if only some of them turn out to be true, I'm pretty sure more than enough of them will.
But mostly, we'll see more evidence within a month I guess, since they don't want it to get to Dec.14th without certifying all the votes (i.e: certifying the winner), because that changes the game again. There's also the fact that the Supreme Court already has a PA case on the docket just for this. If they strike that down as unconstitutional, goodbye to a lot of Biden votes in PA. There will be howling from the Dems, they'll swear on their life that Trump is stealing the election in front of their eyes etc. No clue how it'll turn out though, that's just how I see it.