I'm not actually doing anything different, I just actually showed up this time.
Enforcement in dead threads is meaningless theater. The majority of people have already come through and almost nobody would notice your action. If you were a mod who didn't give people the "removed this" reply, I doubt 90% would even know it happened.
In fact, I don't think I've seen you do it once in over a month and I'm fairly active on here. I just gave that caveat in case I missed it.
I don't see this as a problem.
Your complete failure to be punctual and properly enforce the rules have told people they are able to post specific things, that you are now turning around and trying to undo. Your failure to enforce rule of law gave people freedom, that you are now selectively taking away.
I get you are busy with like 5 variations of KIA2 and that's the big factor, but that doesn't absolve your failure to enforce nearly any of the rule breaking behavior for long stretches.
If you don't enforce your rules consistently and evenly, you don't have rules, just suggestions and privileges.
I don't know if you sent this twice on purpose, but there is nothing more to say. You understand the issue, but make no signs of fixing what we agree is the real problem.
And that's not even getting into how retarded the actual rule broken is to begin with. This isn't reddit, why do we still have to "play nice" as if an admin is watching? The rest are legal or common structural, but that's just moral enforcement.
Weird, I didn't see my first response the first time, so I sent it again.
You understand the issue, but make no signs of fixing what we agree is the real problem.
I agree to police the forum more actively, especially now that it's more active. That should eliminate some of the inconsistency.
The rest are legal or common structural, but that's just moral enforcement.
It's more of a defensive structure on growth. The alt-right are fairly rabid, and seem to aggressively lie and scam into whatever they can. They do tend to squat on posts & threads that they seem to think they own, and if I don't keep a minimum of some kind of decorum or extremism, they will use it to attack anyone who would disagree or dissent. In a small space like this one, it's prone to being completely and instantaneously overwhelmed if they see it as a safe haven.
Really, one of the most exhausting rules we have on Reddit is the pol meme one. It's an incessant virtue signal that the Jews are the enemy, and that's basically all it is. They will never not attempt to promote it to the absolute top if ever given the chance, and every single other comment thread will have more pol memes within the post. It's crazy how incessant they are.
And yes, there are people who will be totally off-put by having to deal with or see that, much in the same way you might be off-put from a forum that starts screaming at people about how gender is a social construct.
However, like Reddit, I still need to keep it lose enough so that I don't just push them all out and create an echo-chamber. We'll probably develop the same kind of distribution where they tend to amass and squat in specific threads, but then in other threads they won't be presents.
The important bit is to keep this place from getting aborted early by ideological zealots who would be happy to see it burned down so long as they can claim it to be theirs.
When it comes to impossible1, it's the same structural argument, but not as severe of a problem as the alt-right or the SJWs might be (they're not active here because they don't see this as their territory). But, to be consistent all the really extreme ideas need to be held back or the sub gets swamped by some dedicated ideological faction.
I get what you are trying to do with it, but I disagree entirely with the enforcement. All it does is lead to increasingly pol level memery. Banning specific ways of talk will just create coded talk, like the ((())) itself.
So unless you commit to banning it entirely as a topic all you do is push them further into zealotry by feeding a persecution complex, "shut it down the goyim know!" and force them to speak in such riddles they can only engage with others like them and then feed off each other in a personal echo chamber.
The rest of us cannot even have a normal discussion now, because we aren't versed enough in skirting the rules to engage with them and if we try it ourselves we end up breaking the rules. So in essence, its censorship with extra steps. Worse yet, it just drives people like most of us in KIA2 (anti-authority, pro-freedom esque) into their arms out of rebellion.
But you know all this.
One thing I do think the KIAPrime mods do right in this case, is rather than auto-delete things, most of the time they just say "hey cool it and have some decorum if you are gonna be on this topic." Which can go a long way in compromising freedom vs decency.
In that vein, I think there is a reasonable line that can be drawn between "just delete anything that says something too extreme" and "letting the place get owned by Stormfront." In the barely enforced wild west time this place has been in, its not become any of those hellholes you've described. We have one of these woman hate threads daily from him and its still mostly reasonable discussion anyway with some hateful energy off a few.
Enforcement in dead threads is meaningless theater. The majority of people have already come through and almost nobody would notice your action. If you were a mod who didn't give people the "removed this" reply, I doubt 90% would even know it happened.
In fact, I don't think I've seen you do it once in over a month and I'm fairly active on here. I just gave that caveat in case I missed it.
Your complete failure to be punctual and properly enforce the rules have told people they are able to post specific things, that you are now turning around and trying to undo. Your failure to enforce rule of law gave people freedom, that you are now selectively taking away.
I get you are busy with like 5 variations of KIA2 and that's the big factor, but that doesn't absolve your failure to enforce nearly any of the rule breaking behavior for long stretches.
If you don't enforce your rules consistently and evenly, you don't have rules, just suggestions and privileges.
I don't really disagree with anything you said here.
I don't know if you sent this twice on purpose, but there is nothing more to say. You understand the issue, but make no signs of fixing what we agree is the real problem.
And that's not even getting into how retarded the actual rule broken is to begin with. This isn't reddit, why do we still have to "play nice" as if an admin is watching? The rest are legal or common structural, but that's just moral enforcement.
Weird, I didn't see my first response the first time, so I sent it again.
I agree to police the forum more actively, especially now that it's more active. That should eliminate some of the inconsistency.
It's more of a defensive structure on growth. The alt-right are fairly rabid, and seem to aggressively lie and scam into whatever they can. They do tend to squat on posts & threads that they seem to think they own, and if I don't keep a minimum of some kind of decorum or extremism, they will use it to attack anyone who would disagree or dissent. In a small space like this one, it's prone to being completely and instantaneously overwhelmed if they see it as a safe haven.
Really, one of the most exhausting rules we have on Reddit is the pol meme one. It's an incessant virtue signal that the Jews are the enemy, and that's basically all it is. They will never not attempt to promote it to the absolute top if ever given the chance, and every single other comment thread will have more pol memes within the post. It's crazy how incessant they are.
And yes, there are people who will be totally off-put by having to deal with or see that, much in the same way you might be off-put from a forum that starts screaming at people about how gender is a social construct.
However, like Reddit, I still need to keep it lose enough so that I don't just push them all out and create an echo-chamber. We'll probably develop the same kind of distribution where they tend to amass and squat in specific threads, but then in other threads they won't be presents.
The important bit is to keep this place from getting aborted early by ideological zealots who would be happy to see it burned down so long as they can claim it to be theirs.
When it comes to impossible1, it's the same structural argument, but not as severe of a problem as the alt-right or the SJWs might be (they're not active here because they don't see this as their territory). But, to be consistent all the really extreme ideas need to be held back or the sub gets swamped by some dedicated ideological faction.
I get what you are trying to do with it, but I disagree entirely with the enforcement. All it does is lead to increasingly pol level memery. Banning specific ways of talk will just create coded talk, like the ((())) itself.
So unless you commit to banning it entirely as a topic all you do is push them further into zealotry by feeding a persecution complex, "shut it down the goyim know!" and force them to speak in such riddles they can only engage with others like them and then feed off each other in a personal echo chamber.
The rest of us cannot even have a normal discussion now, because we aren't versed enough in skirting the rules to engage with them and if we try it ourselves we end up breaking the rules. So in essence, its censorship with extra steps. Worse yet, it just drives people like most of us in KIA2 (anti-authority, pro-freedom esque) into their arms out of rebellion.
But you know all this.
One thing I do think the KIAPrime mods do right in this case, is rather than auto-delete things, most of the time they just say "hey cool it and have some decorum if you are gonna be on this topic." Which can go a long way in compromising freedom vs decency.
In that vein, I think there is a reasonable line that can be drawn between "just delete anything that says something too extreme" and "letting the place get owned by Stormfront." In the barely enforced wild west time this place has been in, its not become any of those hellholes you've described. We have one of these woman hate threads daily from him and its still mostly reasonable discussion anyway with some hateful energy off a few.
I don't disagree with anything you've said here.