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[UK] The police state I never imagined I would see in this country (www.conservativewoman.co.uk)
posted 5 years ago by Eldourado 5 years ago by Eldourado +47 / -0
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– Neilcuckman666 21 points 5 years ago +21 / -0

let in millions from police states, why is anyone surprised?

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– deleted 18 points 5 years ago +18 / -0
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– aloha_snackbar22 14 points 5 years ago +14 / -0

Same shit that is happening with the US.

People from police states are used to getting handouts from their government. They just leave to get better hand outs in another country, is their nature.

Politicians and tyrants see this. Is a lot easier to get votes by promising free stuff than to tell people to work for it. All Modern societies will eventually drift towards communism - its a vicious circle, its human nature.

For example, newer generations Cubans will eventually drift towards liberals policies because they never experienced the devastation their parents / grandparents suffered.

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– Gizortnik 17 points 5 years ago +17 / -0

The Brit-Bongs genuinely don't seem to understand how bad of a situation the country has been in since prior to WW2.

Britain has been effectively occupied by Fabian Socialists since the interwar period. The London School of Economics has been the hive of this villainy. The Fabian's intellectual elites were the ones who originally claimed that arming their nations promoted war, so a refusal to arm despite clear intelligence of Nazi and Soviet mobilization was a constant problem. After WW2 ended they immediately pushed Churchill out and wanted to continue rationing as a way to force the population to become normalized to war-time re-distributive measures. They had quickly abandoned the Gold standard and created a uniparty system under the "Post War Consensus" for which the Conservatives have never attempted to rebel. Scotland and Wales are effectively socialist states (in the guise of "Social Democracy). The Fabians intended to use the EU as a continental project to deliver their Fabian Socialism to the rest of Europe while using the Americans as a blunt instrument to keep the Soviets off them.

The closest thing that England has gotten to a non-leftist government was Margaret Thatcher who demonstrated, not an application of non-Keynesian policies, but minimal economic literacy compared to Europe; and as such she and everyone who ever supported her has been smeared as right-wing terrorists who hated poor people and wanted them to die.

Britain has been co-opted for nearly a full century, no matter what some people in the UK would like to believe. 60 years ago, Enoch Powell was fighting a war he had already lost decades ago. The Labour party never represented "the working class", they only represented direct action socialism; and Britain experienced that socialism explicitly in the 1970's. Had Jeremy Corbyn been elected, it would have been merely a return to form.

The Culture War in the UK was basically all but lost decades ago, and it's only been making slight cultural shifts away from Leftism in recent decades. The UK can't try to win a culture war, it effectively has to win a cultural revolution that is going to take not 20 years, but more than 50.

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– yamez 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Recommended reading?

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– Gizortnik 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

It's been kind of diffuse, I don't have a reading list at the moment. Shit that Enoch Powell was complaining about, shit that Thatcher was dealing with, the early history of the EU, the history of Fabian Socialism and the London School of Economics, the history of the Labour government's control in the 1970's, the failure of brutalist architecture and public housing in the same era, the early history of the formation of the European Union, some of Thomas Sowell's books on Intellectuals that were spoke of the British Socialist Intelligentsia refusing to accept military intelligence identifying the arming of Nazi Germany, etc.

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– SemperVenari 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

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– lgbtqwtfbbq 11 points 5 years ago +11 / -0

UK's been a police state for a long time. Or did you think all those surveillance cameras all over the place was simply a make-work program for the AV installation industry?

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– deleted 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0
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– dosn 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

rowing back on his disastrous Covid policy,

This is where she lost me.

The UK covid policy has been effective.

When comparing based on population density, the UK has done far better than most other nations.

On a per-capita basis we are pretty much middle of the road.

Boris and co also wanted to go with the 'Herd Immunity' idea which has worked fantastically in Sweden, Japan, Taiwan etc but was shouted down by Labour, the Media and groups with a vested interest in making the government look bad.

EDIT: I also dont like how she (and the comments) is blaming the conservatives entirely for this.

The government didnt want to enact a lockdown. They didnt want to restrict freedoms.

But every step of the way, the media, Labour and vested interest groups screeched and screamed that the government wasnt doing enough, that they wanted the poor to die, that they didnt care etc. And somehow that rhetoric worked as it reduced the governments support (although its been holding steady at a constant 42-45% support, same as the General Election last december).

If anyone should be blamed, its Labour, the Media and those groups with a vested interest in demonising the government.

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