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Joe Biden on Brexit and the Internal Market Bill (twitter.com)
posted 5 years ago by APDSmith 5 years ago by APDSmith +17 / -0
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– deleted 16 points 5 years ago +16 / -0
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– APDSmith [S] 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

I imagine it plays quite well with the Irish-American demographic...

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– stanzololthrowaway 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Irish Americans were some of the biggest supporters of the IRA (both of the Real and Provisional varieties) during The Troubles. IIRC the majority of their funding came from Americans of Irish heritage.

On the other hand, when the IRA's public support waned, their funding dried up too, which was a major reason why they disbanded.

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– APDSmith [S] 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0

unless someone wants to deliberately use it as a wedge to fuck up Brexit.

That being very much the problem. The EU negotiating team is on video discussing their plan to force an issue with Northern Ireland, use it as a wedge to get everything they want in the negotiations and then use it to soak up all the remaining time to deny the UK side the opportunity to negotiate anything of benefit to the UK.

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– Gizortnik 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0

Good. Hard Brexit it is. They've had, what, 4 years to make any meaningful concessions and they spent 3 of those fighting tooth and nail to get literally only everything they wanted.

If your opposing negotiator's position is "kill yourself", then you don't negotiate, you tell them to "come and take it".

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– APDSmith [S] 8 points 5 years ago +8 / -0

I've always been in favour of a trade deal - a good trade deal, that is.

"Surrender Northern Ireland and your territorial waters for the opportunity to be subject to EU regulations while no longer having any say at all in them" is about as far as I can picture from a good deal.

If you're not going to do us the courtesy of offering a workable deal, kindly leave the table so you can attend to your affairs while we attend to ours...

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– Gizortnik 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

"Surrender Northern Ireland and your territorial waters for the opportunity to be subject to EU regulations while no longer having any say at all in them" is about as far as I can picture from a good deal.

I want to be an EU negotiator now.

"You and what Navy? ... Go ahead, do it faggot."

Keep Calm and Molan Labe

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– APDSmith [S] 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

To be fair, the EU's preferred negotiating position is to have the EU on one side of the table, and a negotiating team that the EU has completely co-opted on the other side of the table, in effect leaving it negotiating with itself.

I'm not sure it's actually used to negotiating with people who aren't operating in the EU's interests - given how long it's taken to get trade deals with other nations, I'm not sure I'd be wrong to say that it simply can't do so...

Keep Calm and Molan Labe

Do you have a loicense for that rhetoric, sonny jim? I thought not, off to the cells...

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– Gizortnik 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Do you have a loicense for that rhetoric, sonny jim? I thought not, off to the cells...

Yeah, I got you're licence right here.

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– Eldourado 12 points 5 years ago +12 / -0

Globalist being a globalist.

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– APDSmith [S] 11 points 5 years ago +11 / -0

To clarify, this is Biden stating his opposition to a UK Government bill that, in the event the EU effectively refuses to license the mainland UK to trade with Northern Ireland, tells the EU to get bent. It is something of a controversial bill, addressing a problem that arose by assuming good faith on the part of the EU, not something they've shown a great deal of, in my opinion, in the course of negotiations.

Like the EU, Biden seems to see the way forward for Northern Ireland as being broken away from the UK, presumably for later integration into the Republic of Ireland - whether the citizens of Northern Ireland want it or not.

Is the man just trying to pander to Irish American votes at this point?

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– Wizardslayer 9 points 5 years ago +9 / -0

The citizens of Ireland don't even want irish unification because they don't want a sizable protestant minority causing issues.

The only people that want Irish unification are the plastic paddies in the US. And they support the IRA. So I have no idea who this is supposed to be pandering to.

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– APDSmith [S] 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

So I have no idea who this is supposed to be pandering to.

You appear to have answered your own question:

The only people that want Irish unification are the plastic paddies in the US.

Might just be Biden scrabbling around for every single vote he can get.

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– Gizortnik 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

in the event the EU effectively refuses to license the mainland UK to trade with Northern Ireland

The UK's position on this shouldn't be about if. The UK shouldn't be having a conversation about it at all. The UK should be allowed to conduct trade within it's own borders without regard to the EU.

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– the_nybbler 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

They unwisely signed an agreement which requires them to control trade between Great Britain and Northern Ireland for goods which are considered "at high risk" for being exported. Then the EU decided that all goods were at such high risk, and as a result the UK is proposing breaking the agreement (the Withdrawal Agreement, not the Good Friday Accords)

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– Gizortnik 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

"High risk for being exported"

pbbt.

"There's a high risk that you could sell this for money and compete with me. Can't let you do that, Star Fox."

Then the EU decided that all goods were at such high risk

I swear, the UK's negotiation position needs to be "Eat Shit And Die".

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– APDSmith [S] 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

That does actually appear to be a pressing fear for the EU, one of the reasons they have been so insistent on "regulatory alignment" - i.e., the British agreeing to subject themselves to EU regulations.

They're very worried about having to compete with a country right next door that's no longer hobbling itself.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Hm. It's as if the EU was never about benefiting member states, but benefiting only itself.

(and maybe Germany)

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– APDSmith [S] 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

That's what the UK Government bill is intended to address, yes.

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– the_nybbler 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Yes, and despite Pelosi and Biden's claims, telling the EU to "get bent" does not violate the GFA. It is not the UK which has proposed a hard border; it's the EU which has threatened one. If Ireland enforces a border, that's not a violation of the GFA by the UK

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– Soup_Navy_Admiral 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

Thank you for your insight, unpaid intern who runs Biden's Twitter account. Who told you to write that?

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– APDSmith [S] 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Have you ever seen where Harris' hand is when Biden is speaking?

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– Gizortnik 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

These are the same fuckheads that wanted to draw an international border within the UK in order to separate Northern Ireland from the rest of the Kingdom.

This Good Friday agreement is nonsense is complete horseshit.

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– the_nybbler 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

The Good Friday Agreement requires no such border; the Withdrawal Agreement does.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

That's what I was trying to go for.

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– APDSmith [S] 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

This Good Friday agreement is nonsense is complete horseshit.

(possible typo in OP corrected)

That's the opinion - rather more politely phrased, of course, they are diplomats, after all - of some of the people who negotiated the thing, too...

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– Gizortnik 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

You're right, my bad.

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– Neilcuckman666 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

we all know thd democrats want a united ireland, i mean they funded the terroist scum for decades.

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– NoGardE 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Here's a solution: UK and Ireland both join the US. Ireland and NI as separate states, with open borders among them because that's US constitutional law.

Downside: Britbongs would completely fuck up the balance in Congress, we'd need to cut back on federal power hardcore beforehand.

Bonus points: also bring in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta.

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– lgbtqwtfbbq 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

The UK makes California look like Texas. We don't need any more of that shit here, thank you very much.

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– NoGardE 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Yeah that's why we need to cut back on federal power before/at the same time, so they can't export the stupid bullshit to the rest of the US. Bringing in the Good Parts of Canada would help counterbalance. I'll take an Albertan over a Californian any day.

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