The idea, from what I gather, is that it is better to be alive and have a shitty life than to be murdered. Which when said plainly, does make a good deal of sense. If you presume life is valuable and always preferable to not being alive for its own sake, no matter the quality of the life, being in favor of not killing as many as possible, even if they will end up having awful lives makes sense.
Though there are some curious implications when that sentiment comes from a Christian perspective. If the Bible teaches that God knows us before we are born, which it does, and implies that one's soul exists and is with God before being born, and that babies are innocent and not blemished by sin and damnation until after they reach an age of recognition and choice, the 'age of accountability', which most churches do teach and believe...then a natural consequence of that leads to an uncomfortable place: the baby is actually better off being killed and going immediately to heaven rather than being born on earth and having a normal life in which there is a non-zero chance they do not end up seeking salvation. Automatic bypassing of accountability for sin and going to heaven immediately, or having a life, sinning, being accountable for it, and being damned unless one chooses to accept Christ, which not all will.
Some portion of those who are born and live normal lives will end up not choosing salvation and will be damned, whereas if they were aborted...they skip the whole process and are in heaven with the Father. That doesn't sound bad for the baby to me. Sure, for the mother, it's an egregious and horrifying sinful act that will have to be paid or repented for. But for the baby itself, an automatic 'skip being on this shitty earth and just go straight to heaven' path seems like there are no downsides.
Jeremiah 1:5-“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you”
Galatians 1:15 “But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace…”
Ephesians 1:3-4 “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him.”
Not everyone believes this means the preexistence of all souls, but a lot do and it's a good point.
It speaks of God's foreknowledge, not of souls being around since the start of time. I bet you're right though and I'm sure some people believe this, people believe all kinds of crazy shit.
Do you know of a denomination where it's professed as a belief (legitimately curious, not trying to be antagonistic)?
This is ends justify the means thinking though. Sure God could have turned the very place where Sodom and Gomorrah would be built into a lake as soon as it was built, thus saving the fate of many people who would end up being born in Sodom and Gomorrah.
If God did this for every scenario, there would be nothing that happened ever.
And because God is infinite, God could have it where a baby who is aborted is put into a simulated reality where they were not aborted and it plays out based on whether they accept Christ, as just a possibility. The fate of babies who die is mysterious, but if God says don't do something, don't do it and trust He has the answer.
The same is true of children who were sacrificed to moloch. It's highly likely the children, had they not been sacrificed would have grown up in that culture into pagans who ultimately end up in hell. How does the Bible treat the Moloch sacrifices? Horrible, because ends don't justify means and we're playing God by aborting based on what we assume happens to babies.
Could it be that just as there are levels to closeness to God with angels, with some being the ones that fly around with their eyes covered, flying around God, that in heaven there is far more glory in being in heaven having accepted Jesus than having been aborted. Not that anyone would be sad in heaven, but in heaven some have more than others (wood, hay stubble vs jewels). It may be that the glory of being in heaven because of accepting Jesus is so incredible that it is worth the incredible risk of facing an eternity of hell.
To put it in another way, think of a person who's protected from all things. They live in a safe padded cell. Their risk from murder, and disease and everything is effectively zero. Then you have another person, living out a life, but they risk murder, accidents, dismemberment, etc. Who do we say had a richer life? Not the safe person, but the person who had risk in their life.
If that's true here, it might be true in heaven. It might be that babies in heaven are made ignorant of how much better it would be to be in heaven with that risk afforded to them, and while it's better to be in heaven than in hell, it is better to be in heaven with the risk of hell than in heaven without the risk of hell. This is just a possibility. Things of this nature we just go with trusting Him like when God questioned Job and revealed to Job through the questions how little we can grasp of reality, particularly the supernatural reality.
The idea, from what I gather, is that it is better to be alive and have a shitty life than to be murdered. Which when said plainly, does make a good deal of sense. If you presume life is valuable and always preferable to not being alive for its own sake, no matter the quality of the life, being in favor of not killing as many as possible, even if they will end up having awful lives makes sense.
Though there are some curious implications when that sentiment comes from a Christian perspective. If the Bible teaches that God knows us before we are born, which it does, and implies that one's soul exists and is with God before being born, and that babies are innocent and not blemished by sin and damnation until after they reach an age of recognition and choice, the 'age of accountability', which most churches do teach and believe...then a natural consequence of that leads to an uncomfortable place: the baby is actually better off being killed and going immediately to heaven rather than being born on earth and having a normal life in which there is a non-zero chance they do not end up seeking salvation. Automatic bypassing of accountability for sin and going to heaven immediately, or having a life, sinning, being accountable for it, and being damned unless one chooses to accept Christ, which not all will.
Some portion of those who are born and live normal lives will end up not choosing salvation and will be damned, whereas if they were aborted...they skip the whole process and are in heaven with the Father. That doesn't sound bad for the baby to me. Sure, for the mother, it's an egregious and horrifying sinful act that will have to be paid or repented for. But for the baby itself, an automatic 'skip being on this shitty earth and just go straight to heaven' path seems like there are no downsides.
The idea is that it shouldn't be legal to murder innocent people.
Preexistence of the soul is not taught by any Christian denomination that I am aware of
Jeremiah 1:5-“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you”
Galatians 1:15 “But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace…”
Ephesians 1:3-4 “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him.”
Not everyone believes this means the preexistence of all souls, but a lot do and it's a good point.
It speaks of God's foreknowledge, not of souls being around since the start of time. I bet you're right though and I'm sure some people believe this, people believe all kinds of crazy shit.
Do you know of a denomination where it's professed as a belief (legitimately curious, not trying to be antagonistic)?
Larping nigga
Pardon?
Where do you get this idea? Man is born with original sin and can only be redeemed through faith in Jesus Christ.
This is ends justify the means thinking though. Sure God could have turned the very place where Sodom and Gomorrah would be built into a lake as soon as it was built, thus saving the fate of many people who would end up being born in Sodom and Gomorrah.
If God did this for every scenario, there would be nothing that happened ever.
And because God is infinite, God could have it where a baby who is aborted is put into a simulated reality where they were not aborted and it plays out based on whether they accept Christ, as just a possibility. The fate of babies who die is mysterious, but if God says don't do something, don't do it and trust He has the answer.
The same is true of children who were sacrificed to moloch. It's highly likely the children, had they not been sacrificed would have grown up in that culture into pagans who ultimately end up in hell. How does the Bible treat the Moloch sacrifices? Horrible, because ends don't justify means and we're playing God by aborting based on what we assume happens to babies.
Could it be that just as there are levels to closeness to God with angels, with some being the ones that fly around with their eyes covered, flying around God, that in heaven there is far more glory in being in heaven having accepted Jesus than having been aborted. Not that anyone would be sad in heaven, but in heaven some have more than others (wood, hay stubble vs jewels). It may be that the glory of being in heaven because of accepting Jesus is so incredible that it is worth the incredible risk of facing an eternity of hell.
To put it in another way, think of a person who's protected from all things. They live in a safe padded cell. Their risk from murder, and disease and everything is effectively zero. Then you have another person, living out a life, but they risk murder, accidents, dismemberment, etc. Who do we say had a richer life? Not the safe person, but the person who had risk in their life.
If that's true here, it might be true in heaven. It might be that babies in heaven are made ignorant of how much better it would be to be in heaven with that risk afforded to them, and while it's better to be in heaven than in hell, it is better to be in heaven with the risk of hell than in heaven without the risk of hell. This is just a possibility. Things of this nature we just go with trusting Him like when God questioned Job and revealed to Job through the questions how little we can grasp of reality, particularly the supernatural reality.
Yeah but I have seen right wingers hate niggers, faggots, trannies, and "muh fatherless" people in general.
The majority of abortions would have become that.
I have seen some right wingers even hate "muh fatherless" people even if they grow up to be right wing.
It seems weird to me to cry for an unborn child if it is murdered but hate it if it lives.