there's a drama regarding the big names, but aside dw. never actually listened to any of them
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I don't listen to any of them. All the info I have on them comes from this board. I drove a lot at my old job and there was a manosphere guy I would listen to (Better Bachelor on the off chance you're curious) but he's not really part of that scene.
I used to listen to him as well but the woman avoiding scared old bachelor life just ain't for me. Red pill dudes have good points but mgtow is just more Jewish gender war subversion that leads to more lonely people.
I'll give props to at least one of their prominent commentators for pretty bluntly laying out(and backing it with data IIRC) just how goddamn many problems we're facing right now are outright solved by simply taking women's rights away. That fixes all this birthrate stuff overnight, no joke. Anyone who claims to be concerned about birthrates but isn't placing women's subjugation on the negotiating table isn't serious about solving the problem.
I think a lot of people agree with this, but the cultural changes that would be necessary in order to even consider doing that politically would be monumental - the kind of thing that would only be brought about by crisis.
What crisis caused us all to glorify gender-fetish perverts?
Constant pressure works better than a temporary tricks.
Are you referencing Bo Refec? Because he's been a HUGE proponent of that lately.
No idea who that is, so decidedly not.