Who knows, as according to the media right now, Iranians are running around looking for a downed pilot, shooting small arms at search helicopters.
US has officially rescued one, I'd kind of laugh if they secretly rescued the other and they had the IRG running around, chasing their tails for the propaganda bonanza of a captured US pilot for them to be struck while distracted.
But at this point, Iran is fucked as if they follow through, in their weakened state, EVERY Gulf state will have a vendetta against them for life for shutting off the energy in the Gulf and there's a high chance China would abandon them as no longer useful. Best bet is make a deal with the US as Israel is actively sabotaging that hoping Iran cripples the Gulf.
US has officially rescued one, I'd kind of laugh if they secretly rescued the other and they had the IRG running around, chasing their tails for the propaganda bonanza of a captured US pilot for them to be struck while distracted.
Yeah. The US military would definitely not announce that they rescued the second pilot and keep risking soldiers and equipment to fake searching for them just to fuck with the IRGC.
Well... thinking about Hegseth is probably dumb enough to order something like that.
EVERY Gulf state will have a vendetta against them
There won't be any Gulf state left to have a vendetta. Besides the only Gulf state with an actual military is Saudi Arabia. The UAE is literally comprised of 90% slave labor and foreigners. They're completely dependent on the US for defense.
If Iran destroys the desalination plants of the UAE and Saudi Arabia both nations are completely fucked. The majority of their population would have to be evacuated within weeks.
Unfortunately Sunni Arabs seem to be among the most retarded creatures on this planet and will do Israels bidding even if it means their destruction.
there's a high chance China would abandon them
Iran isn't dependent on China or Russia. Besides there is absolutely no reason for them to abandon Iran. Public opinion especially in Russia and China is overwhelmingly pro Iran and the biggest loser will still be the US.
Best bet is make a deal with the US as Israel is actively sabotaging that hoping Iran cripples the Gulf.
Sure make a deal and wait for the US to bomb you again in 3 months as the US is completely under Israels control. Genius level strategy.
Then why is Israel actively targeting ANY Iranian looking to negotiate with the US, like they want Iran to follow through?
It's bad on bad for Iran but in regards to both China and Russia, both sides won't care about their own public opinion, if Iran devastes the Gulf, Chinese leadership will focus elsewhere for resources, and Russia will try to leverage itself as a major energy provider....which is why Ukraine is focusing more drone strikes on Russian energy installations.
Pragmatism is...they should've just blocked off the strait and ONLY hit clear US and Israeli targets. Allowing strikes on energy and targets that can be interpreted as civilian weakened Iran's hand. Combine that with the Sunni/Shia divide in that region and I'm just glad no one there has nukes or this would literally be a Tom Clancy book...
Then why is Israel actively targeting ANY Iranian looking to negotiate with the US, like they want Iran to follow through?
Because they do want Iran to follow through. Which is why Iran hasn't followed through yet.
Chinese leadership will focus elsewhere for resources
Where? Venezuela is gone. Russia can supply some as they already do. But being completely dependent on Russia is probably not what China wants.
So they'd have to find new reserves and even if they find other oil and gas reserves they'd still have to invest time and money to extract them. Just as they would have to invest time and money to help Iran and the Middle East to get back on their feet.
So why would they drop Iran as an allied nation? Literally no reason for it.
Allowing strikes on energy and targets that can be interpreted as civilian weakened Iran's hand.
They only did after the US/Israel struck their facilities. Public opinion is on Iran's side. Israels propaganda falls on deaf ears all around the world. Nobody gives a shit anymore.
Iran is winning. Iran is winning the war for public opinion and currently even the war on the ground.
If you mean everyone hates Isreal is Iran winning, that was happening BEFORE this war.
In terms of overall, I'd call Iran having a pyrrhic victory, ironically the same level as Israel only Israel HAS the resources and connections to start bunkering it's people in other countries, Iranians are trapped in that area.
As for China rebuilding the Gulf, that would take half a decade at least to do, something they can't afford to do if they still want to take Taiwan militarily as that window is closing more and more.
I think you've got pretty bad takes here. Too Americanized.
If anything, it's Iran that captured the US Soldier and hasn't announced it specifically so the USA continues their search, putting Americans soldiers and equipment in danger making it easier for Iran to damage the USA.
Besides Saudi Arabia, the rest of the Gulf is irrelevant. If Iran's infrastructure is too highly damaged then them destroying everything else around them is their idea of Israel's Samson Option. They simply won't care what happens to anyone else if they're mostly destroyed. We may even see an Iranian ground invasion of Saudi Arabia.
If anything, it's Iran that captured the US Soldier and hasn't announced it specifically so the USA continues their search
That doesn't make any sense, given the amount of AI propaganda Iran made of them capturing US servicemen, why wouldn't they parade an ACTUAL captured US solider like Iraq did to the British during the Gulf War?
Iran wouldn't be able to do a ground invasion, if they've destroyed ALL water desalination plants in the gulf, you've just destroyed all reliable water sources in the Gulf, Iran would invade a desert wasting resources and leaving their men to die after getting past the A10s straffing them crossing then having a lack of water as the Saudis left abandon the foreign labour there while they retreat to the few sources of water left
It'd be as bad as if the Nazis actually did Operation Sealion..
It's like Iran thought that attacking their neighbors was going to drive them away from the US and into supporting Iran or something. I mean UAE is even one of their BRICS partners and they attacked them. Those other states have way more to lose by getting cutoff from the west than Iran does. There isn't a path where Europe joins Russia and China. I know everyone has some clouded vision that they notice the Jews and are going to oppose them, but that's idiotic. They will fall in line, and the Gulf states won't give up trade to that huge part of the world over Iran.
Who knows, as according to the media right now, Iranians are running around looking for a downed pilot, shooting small arms at search helicopters.
US has officially rescued one, I'd kind of laugh if they secretly rescued the other and they had the IRG running around, chasing their tails for the propaganda bonanza of a captured US pilot for them to be struck while distracted.
But at this point, Iran is fucked as if they follow through, in their weakened state, EVERY Gulf state will have a vendetta against them for life for shutting off the energy in the Gulf and there's a high chance China would abandon them as no longer useful. Best bet is make a deal with the US as Israel is actively sabotaging that hoping Iran cripples the Gulf.
Yeah. The US military would definitely not announce that they rescued the second pilot and keep risking soldiers and equipment to fake searching for them just to fuck with the IRGC.
Well... thinking about Hegseth is probably dumb enough to order something like that.
There won't be any Gulf state left to have a vendetta. Besides the only Gulf state with an actual military is Saudi Arabia. The UAE is literally comprised of 90% slave labor and foreigners. They're completely dependent on the US for defense.
If Iran destroys the desalination plants of the UAE and Saudi Arabia both nations are completely fucked. The majority of their population would have to be evacuated within weeks.
Unfortunately Sunni Arabs seem to be among the most retarded creatures on this planet and will do Israels bidding even if it means their destruction.
Iran isn't dependent on China or Russia. Besides there is absolutely no reason for them to abandon Iran. Public opinion especially in Russia and China is overwhelmingly pro Iran and the biggest loser will still be the US.
Sure make a deal and wait for the US to bomb you again in 3 months as the US is completely under Israels control. Genius level strategy.
Then why is Israel actively targeting ANY Iranian looking to negotiate with the US, like they want Iran to follow through?
It's bad on bad for Iran but in regards to both China and Russia, both sides won't care about their own public opinion, if Iran devastes the Gulf, Chinese leadership will focus elsewhere for resources, and Russia will try to leverage itself as a major energy provider....which is why Ukraine is focusing more drone strikes on Russian energy installations.
Pragmatism is...they should've just blocked off the strait and ONLY hit clear US and Israeli targets. Allowing strikes on energy and targets that can be interpreted as civilian weakened Iran's hand. Combine that with the Sunni/Shia divide in that region and I'm just glad no one there has nukes or this would literally be a Tom Clancy book...
Because they do want Iran to follow through. Which is why Iran hasn't followed through yet.
Where? Venezuela is gone. Russia can supply some as they already do. But being completely dependent on Russia is probably not what China wants.
So they'd have to find new reserves and even if they find other oil and gas reserves they'd still have to invest time and money to extract them. Just as they would have to invest time and money to help Iran and the Middle East to get back on their feet.
So why would they drop Iran as an allied nation? Literally no reason for it.
They only did after the US/Israel struck their facilities. Public opinion is on Iran's side. Israels propaganda falls on deaf ears all around the world. Nobody gives a shit anymore.
Iran is winning. Iran is winning the war for public opinion and currently even the war on the ground.
If you mean everyone hates Isreal is Iran winning, that was happening BEFORE this war.
In terms of overall, I'd call Iran having a pyrrhic victory, ironically the same level as Israel only Israel HAS the resources and connections to start bunkering it's people in other countries, Iranians are trapped in that area.
As for China rebuilding the Gulf, that would take half a decade at least to do, something they can't afford to do if they still want to take Taiwan militarily as that window is closing more and more.
Why does this sound like veiled military propaganda?
And Tom Clancy? That itself is military propaganda.
I'm semi joking but tell me that the past month hasn't kind of looked like the intro to game EndWar?
Just in that version, EVERYONE was more competent...
I think you've got pretty bad takes here. Too Americanized.
If anything, it's Iran that captured the US Soldier and hasn't announced it specifically so the USA continues their search, putting Americans soldiers and equipment in danger making it easier for Iran to damage the USA.
Besides Saudi Arabia, the rest of the Gulf is irrelevant. If Iran's infrastructure is too highly damaged then them destroying everything else around them is their idea of Israel's Samson Option. They simply won't care what happens to anyone else if they're mostly destroyed. We may even see an Iranian ground invasion of Saudi Arabia.
Not too Americanized. Too delusional. Been watching way too much Fox News.
That doesn't make any sense, given the amount of AI propaganda Iran made of them capturing US servicemen, why wouldn't they parade an ACTUAL captured US solider like Iraq did to the British during the Gulf War?
Iran wouldn't be able to do a ground invasion, if they've destroyed ALL water desalination plants in the gulf, you've just destroyed all reliable water sources in the Gulf, Iran would invade a desert wasting resources and leaving their men to die after getting past the A10s straffing them crossing then having a lack of water as the Saudis left abandon the foreign labour there while they retreat to the few sources of water left
It'd be as bad as if the Nazis actually did Operation Sealion..
This nigga is completely retarded.
And they're fucked if they don't. So why wouldn't they try for mutually assured destruction?
It's like Iran thought that attacking their neighbors was going to drive them away from the US and into supporting Iran or something. I mean UAE is even one of their BRICS partners and they attacked them. Those other states have way more to lose by getting cutoff from the west than Iran does. There isn't a path where Europe joins Russia and China. I know everyone has some clouded vision that they notice the Jews and are going to oppose them, but that's idiotic. They will fall in line, and the Gulf states won't give up trade to that huge part of the world over Iran.