Why is it better to let the aggressor win though? You break the rules, you become an outlaw, the protections you ignored for others are gone from you. It's a simple system, but an effective one. And effective has been something that has been sorely lacking lately. Why not apply it to social etiquette too?
I would dispute that people engaging in bad behavior for its own sake are 'winning'.
I can live with Machiavellianism, meaning engaged in precise cruelty for specific ends, but gloating over someone's death when it does you or your side no good is just stupid..
That said, I'm fine with anyone who demonstrably engaged in this sort of behavior having the same behavior unleashed on him. If this urinalist dies, I'm fine with people dancing on her grace. Not random people of her faction.
This is why I don't care about dabbing all over the stupid lesbian getting herself shot
Just to be clear, I interpreted "don't care" as not trying to scold people for gloating over her self-inflicted misery, rather engaging in it directly.
I'm not going to pretend the sad part was the necessary shooting rather than the brainwashing before hand, and I'm not going to intervene with people who say anything out of pocket.
If social decency is not going to be extended fairly in it's totality then I'm not gonna waste energy to protect someone who did everything possible to take it away from others until it is.
I'm also not going to pretend that someone who goes out and premeditated blocks ICE vehicles with secret whistle signals and doesn't care about crushing them with her car has any plausible deniability that she didn't cheer for something like Charlie Kirk's murder. You have to be deep in that culture to reach that point
You talk about retaliation for real or imagined offenses. But do you think this does the right any good?
Leaving aside the morality. Imp spent a month saying that "Nazis" should be killed. Let's be generous and assume he means actual Nazis. You could say "Nazis want worse for others, and therefore this is not wrong". But they're still human beings. What do you think it does to the people who say something like that? What do you think it normalizes?
You don't need to scold anyone. Nor will I, it's pretty pointless.
I agree. Especially after Charlie Kirk it’s hypocritical for “our” people to celebrate the deaths of people with different viewpoints.
With that being said, the recent one in Minneapolis is different because she was actively committing a crime. A better comparison imo is Rob Reiner. Yeah he seemed like a jerk as far as his political beliefs were concerned but I won’t celebrate his death.
This is why I do care about that. Because I like to fool myself into believing that the right is better.
Why is it better to let the aggressor win though? You break the rules, you become an outlaw, the protections you ignored for others are gone from you. It's a simple system, but an effective one. And effective has been something that has been sorely lacking lately. Why not apply it to social etiquette too?
I would dispute that people engaging in bad behavior for its own sake are 'winning'.
I can live with Machiavellianism, meaning engaged in precise cruelty for specific ends, but gloating over someone's death when it does you or your side no good is just stupid..
That said, I'm fine with anyone who demonstrably engaged in this sort of behavior having the same behavior unleashed on him. If this urinalist dies, I'm fine with people dancing on her grace. Not random people of her faction.
Just to be clear, I interpreted "don't care" as not trying to scold people for gloating over her self-inflicted misery, rather engaging in it directly.
I'm not going to pretend the sad part was the necessary shooting rather than the brainwashing before hand, and I'm not going to intervene with people who say anything out of pocket.
If social decency is not going to be extended fairly in it's totality then I'm not gonna waste energy to protect someone who did everything possible to take it away from others until it is.
I'm also not going to pretend that someone who goes out and premeditated blocks ICE vehicles with secret whistle signals and doesn't care about crushing them with her car has any plausible deniability that she didn't cheer for something like Charlie Kirk's murder. You have to be deep in that culture to reach that point
You talk about retaliation for real or imagined offenses. But do you think this does the right any good?
Leaving aside the morality. Imp spent a month saying that "Nazis" should be killed. Let's be generous and assume he means actual Nazis. You could say "Nazis want worse for others, and therefore this is not wrong". But they're still human beings. What do you think it does to the people who say something like that? What do you think it normalizes?
You don't need to scold anyone. Nor will I, it's pretty pointless.
I agree. Especially after Charlie Kirk it’s hypocritical for “our” people to celebrate the deaths of people with different viewpoints.
With that being said, the recent one in Minneapolis is different because she was actively committing a crime. A better comparison imo is Rob Reiner. Yeah he seemed like a jerk as far as his political beliefs were concerned but I won’t celebrate his death.
I'm glad that the only one on the right apparently celebrating Reiner's death was Trump. Not being sarcastic, I didn't see anyone else.