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Interesting Christopher Caldwell quote on the Venezuela coup
posted 152 days ago by AntonioOfVenice 152 days ago by AntonioOfVenice +30 / -0

Empires seem to deploy their powers to the maximum, desisting only when they no longer have the wherewithal. We may soon be reminded that it was American decline that put Mr. Trump in a position to set American foreign policy in the first place.

https://archive.is/lRGq2

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– Mpetey123 13 points 152 days ago +13 / -0

What do you find interesting about the quote? Are you suggesting that the mainstream MAGA based assumed America First meant isolationism and are upset about the Venezuela stuff? Because I believe that's what Caldwell is getting at.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 4 points 152 days ago +4 / -0

I'm not sure that they are. The number of people who have done 180's is astounding.

More that it suggests that there is an inevitable force that leads empires to exert force maximally until they overextend themselves. That might explain why you get John McCain no matter whom you elect.

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– Kienan 11 points 152 days ago +11 / -0

I'm not sure that they are. The number of people who have done 180's is astounding.

It's really hard to tell the actual feelings, considering how much propaganda there is out there.

Half the time I think most people think like me, and the current push to neoconize "core MAGA" is a total psyop. And a large part of it is, either way...but it also sometimes seems to be working, and you apparently do have large swathes of "core MAGA" turn on a dime and actually buy into the shit.

Very disappointing. You actually seem to have a large chunk of pro-America people cheering for 'bringing freedom to Venezuela,' or whatever nonsense.

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– Benevolentdictator 5 points 152 days ago +5 / -0

you apparently do have large swathes of "core MAGA" turn on a dime and actually buy into the shit.

I think it's a cult

Glenn Greenwald had an interesting video this week talking about the psychological treat it is to vicariously cheer on military victories in lieu of actual masculine achievement.

It was a little rich hearing it from Glenn, implying that all the MAGA Fell For It Again types were all betas lacking masculinity cheering on the MIC like sportsball.

But his video did have an interesting angle suggesting that there are few opportunities for endorphin-inducing masculine achievements these days IRL, joining the cheering hordes after neocon imperialist conquests is a decent fascimile. And that the high from the pseudoconquest can be quite intoxicating & habit-forming.

Greenwald YT clip - Glenn specifically refers to it as "War propaganda" and how powerful/persuasive it is

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 3 points 152 days ago +3 / -0

Half the time I think most people think like me, and the current push to neoconize "core MAGA" is a total psyop. And a large part of it is, either way...but it also sometimes seems to be working, and you apparently do have large swathes of "core MAGA" turn on a dime and actually buy into the shit.

I think it's a cult. I think most of these would even turn on Israel if their prophet said Israel is "VERY BAD". I had some hope when so much of core MAGA resisted Iran and suppressing Epstein, but this has been a fiasco.

You actually seem to have a large chunk of pro-America people cheering for 'bringing freedom to Venezuela,' or whatever nonsense.

At least those who aren't cheering "FUCK YEAH TAKE THEIR OIL AND WOMEN". The left has been calling right-wingers "to the right of Genghis Khan" for ages, but now it seems that some decided that they like being Genghis Khan.

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– censorthisss 3 points 152 days ago +3 / -0

Then why didn't they get in line on the H-1B issue?

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