I don't really know what to say at this point.
As far as the legality of what we did, I don't see a problem with it (at least I don't think so). The United States should be able to steamroll some random guy in Grenada or Venezuela if we feel like he's a bad actor. International law and the ICC is a bad joke and shouldn't constrain our behavior. Domestically, the War Powers resolution should allow the executive to do something like this.
The problem is, why are we doing this? And who is "we"? I have never seen convincing evidence that removing Maduro will reduce the flow of drugs into the US, or that it will remove communism from the country. As far as the oil, if Exxon Mobil or whoever is able to drill in Venezuelan oilfields now, that's great for them, but how does it benefit the rest of us? For some reason, I don't think Americans will get anything out of this.
The drug angle is especially stupid because Trump just pardoned another South American head of state (Juan Hernandez) who is on tape wanting to "shove cocaine up the noses of gringos."
The only country that tangibly benefits, at this point, is Israel, given that Venezuela has been a known and acknowledged thorn in their side for years. It's no surprise that the next presidential hopeful Maria Machado will not shut up about how many things she's ready to do for them.
Some people are alleging that China and Russia were establishing a foothold in our backyard with Venezuela. They do indeed supply some oil to China (2-5% of China's supply) but I haven't heard of any other involvement, certainly nothing substantial enough to warrant regime change.
I also have a problem with the example this is setting globally. We are going to charge a foreign head of state with possession of machine guns? So when Germany brings an American citizen up on charges for violating their hate speech laws are we going to pretend we're better than that? Are we still going to pretend that Russia invading Ukraine was unjustified?
If Maduro was repeatedly aggressing on the US and uniting himself with China/Russia, I don't think I have a problem with this. But I just don't see it.
What about the morality? Or is that simply not a right-wing thing? I see a lot of "new right" morons saying that "we should throw everyone to the wall and take their stuff". Mostly people who say that blacks lack the impulse control and are apes because they don't realize that they shouldn't take other people's stuff.
There's no "we" here. You don't get a voice. It's when the deep state, neocons and Miriam Adelson think that someone is a "bad actor".
(I see you addressed this later on.)
You weren't supposed to.
This isn't hyperbole. This is what they think. They think they're some new form of evolved "socialist man" that needs to replace everybody else.
So when you say "communists aren't people," you're agreeing with them.
Looks like you have a broken asylum system then.
Lack of impulse control...
Again, you just say stupid shit and think it’s erudite because your only litmus test for reality is your ego.
Never said it was erudite. I just pointed out that you suddenly advocate for taking other people's stuff.
I get into the morality later, at least from a peer standpoint. The New Right pretends not to care about morality, but also regularly condemns other countries based on morality (and sometimes Christianity). It's incoherent.
Didn't quite catch that. All those arguments could also be Realpolitik arguments against this - you don't want this set as a precedent for other countries doing the same.
For people who purport to believe in Christianity, they sure have very little regard for the Christian just war tradition.
That is something that is not easy. When white people are becoming a minority in the countries they built, those in power cheer for it and call them racist, get discriminated against and called racist for not liking it, being silenced for saying controversial things like white lives matter, morality is not sustainable.
Morality can be a thing if either everyone plays by it or the large majority enforce it equally.
Don't get me wrong, I think morality needs to be a driving factor here and the Venezuela hit job is a kick in the balls although I had my downfall with Trump from the Epstein stuff already but I do understand why morality as a decision maker does not matter when every leader of the modern world wants your extinction and cheers for it.
I've been struggling with that myself. If 100 nukes hit India I don't think I would care.
Who was it that did all those things? The same people who commit the nasty stuff in other countries. So I'm not sure that we should not criticize them for all that nasty stuff, because they also did nasty stuff domestically.
Well, you were wiser than I was, because I gave him another chance (I know it has zero significance). As embarrassing as it is to have defended Trump to Europeans on anti-war grounds, this now honestly feels liberating.
When I say 'morality', I don't mean following what they try to legitimate under morality. Part of morality, in fact the most important thing, is taking care of your own people rather than destroying them.
Because India, or just because it's another country? What if 100 nukes hit Japan?
Just India. We're all formed of our environment. Been working with Indians for a long time and I just can't stand them. They've invaded IT and are incredibly immoral to the point I hate working in IT because of them. The amounts of cheating, group preference and backstabbing is insane. I work on the premise of never interact with Indians more than the minimum required, always assume their hostile and never share knowledge with them.
I know it's wrong and immoral but trying to be moral when they aren't just doesn't work. I've had projects stolen and I've seen teams being hostiles to non-Indians to the point of removing every non-Indian from teams, cheating on metrics with the full support of their Indian managers.
I don't even blame you. There are people who revel in hating others, but you clearly aren't one of those. But I meant morality in terms of just war theory. I don't agree with wars of aggression or wars to steal people's oil, resources or possessions. I didn't think that was very controversial, but in three days it because very controversial on the American right.
Bold of you to assume the feminist right has morals. They're the worst of both worlds. Might makes right woman worshippers, who won't hesitate to throw you against the wall and take your shit for higher birth rates.
I'm not very worried about women throwing me against the wall.
No, it'll be dickless tradfaggots like Kaarous doing it on their behalf.
I don't like Maduro, nobody does. But this lack of restraint with major issues shows a lot of psychological issues with the current right. Today it's Venezuela. Tomorrow it'll be whoever they hate most domestically. It's kind of ironic, they hate non-white people for acting this way, yet the moment they have a modicum of power, they're foaming at the mouth for the ability to rob people they don't like.
Hence why I left. The Commissar can cry at my former doorstep, they're not getting shit from me.
Blue Wave 26, because I do not want to see what the Vance cancer does with unlimited power and a disregard for human rights.
Dude, even MGTOW banned your ass AND your alt. 109 subs indeed.
You need to get over your weird obsession with him. You're more obsessed with him than he was with me, and he spent months downvoting everything I ever posted.
Agreed, except that I fear that this is your way of moving this to "SINGLE PEOPLE ARE BEING ROBBED TO FINANCE PARASITES".
I mean, these morons in charge are making a Democratic landslide inevitable.