Its basically the same root that evolved slightly differently over centuries.
Meaning its almost certainly inherent to Asia in general, and you can probably find some form of it in all groups near the area. Islam/Arabic concepts of "honor" likely are the same thing given religious justification.
Idk a lot about the Samurai of Japan’s past, but I think you’re on to something because they too had a concept similar to izzat, it was called mienai (face) and Meiyo (honor/reputation). If they were insulted publicly by a lower ranking samurai or any commoner, or if Samurai felt like his honor was called into question in any way, the Samurai had no choice but to attack and usually kill the person who disrespected him publicly, because if he didn’t, his reputation would be publicly destroyed, it would shame he and his family in the eyes of the rest of the community, and there was no coming back from that shame so you either manned up and killed/maimed the offender on the spot or else you were fucked.
yep, its something white people dont really understand because they had an enlightenment period where truth/justice became the moral standard, and for so long that they cant comprehend other people, not white people, do not behave that way.
duels are an interesting thing. I would like to know more about that kind of culture.
If you felt insulted you could challenge the other guy to a duel. The other guy would have to defend his honor against yours.
What if you are a complete nutbag challenging people to duels over nothing for some outside gain? What if someone without honor/skill pays you to insincerely challenge his targeted opponent to a duel?
The movie The Duelist kind of delves into the questions you ask, based on a real life event that spanned years, which was part of a series of fascinating historical tidbits from Evangelista's Encyclopedia of the Sword:
The on-location sets really help sell the story despite the film's lower budget. A shame that Ridley Scott's best work (outside of Gladiator) are still his earlier films before he became a household name.
Difference being there are Chinese literary works that people consider worth reading, and thus familiarizing people with it. Can you name one Indian work in the last three millenia?
After the Vedic scriptures/Upanishads there was the Mahabharata, the Bhagavad Gita, the Ramayana, the Pali Canon and Jatakas (probably more than that, but those are the best known)
In more recent years you have the mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan who did a lot of interesting work. Also Gandhi obv, but he was not that great, even if he got racepilled by his time in South Africa.
Wikipedia dates the Vedas to 1500-900 BC, with the Upanishads later at 600-300 BC. Much like the ancient Chinese, those ancient Indians (if they can even be called such) don't exist anymore.
similar to Chinese "saving face"
Its basically the same root that evolved slightly differently over centuries.
Meaning its almost certainly inherent to Asia in general, and you can probably find some form of it in all groups near the area. Islam/Arabic concepts of "honor" likely are the same thing given religious justification.
Idk a lot about the Samurai of Japan’s past, but I think you’re on to something because they too had a concept similar to izzat, it was called mienai (face) and Meiyo (honor/reputation). If they were insulted publicly by a lower ranking samurai or any commoner, or if Samurai felt like his honor was called into question in any way, the Samurai had no choice but to attack and usually kill the person who disrespected him publicly, because if he didn’t, his reputation would be publicly destroyed, it would shame he and his family in the eyes of the rest of the community, and there was no coming back from that shame so you either manned up and killed/maimed the offender on the spot or else you were fucked.
yep, its something white people dont really understand because they had an enlightenment period where truth/justice became the moral standard, and for so long that they cant comprehend other people, not white people, do not behave that way.
We had it, there was also mechanisms in place to control it. Duels are the most obvious example.
duels are an interesting thing. I would like to know more about that kind of culture.
If you felt insulted you could challenge the other guy to a duel. The other guy would have to defend his honor against yours.
What if you are a complete nutbag challenging people to duels over nothing for some outside gain? What if someone without honor/skill pays you to insincerely challenge his targeted opponent to a duel?
Very interesting indeed.
The movie The Duelist kind of delves into the questions you ask, based on a real life event that spanned years, which was part of a series of fascinating historical tidbits from Evangelista's Encyclopedia of the Sword:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075968/
Interesting film; well worth the watch.
The on-location sets really help sell the story despite the film's lower budget. A shame that Ridley Scott's best work (outside of Gladiator) are still his earlier films before he became a household name.
Difference being there are Chinese literary works that people consider worth reading, and thus familiarizing people with it. Can you name one Indian work in the last three millenia?
After the Vedic scriptures/Upanishads there was the Mahabharata, the Bhagavad Gita, the Ramayana, the Pali Canon and Jatakas (probably more than that, but those are the best known)
In more recent years you have the mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan who did a lot of interesting work. Also Gandhi obv, but he was not that great, even if he got racepilled by his time in South Africa.
The vedas are old as fuck l. Prior to that "last 3000 years" cutoff.
Wikipedia dates the Vedas to 1500-900 BC, with the Upanishads later at 600-300 BC. Much like the ancient Chinese, those ancient Indians (if they can even be called such) don't exist anymore.
Ho..how do you know about these?
I used to not think jeets were so bad. Got a rude awakening in the past decade.
The Kama Sutra?
Japanese Bushido too, up to and including Seppuku.
Asia in general has a saving face thing. But jeets work on a different spectrum and consider themselves distinct from it.