I think the problem is that you’re not taking the angles into account. Due to the combined effect of the shooter’s elevation and the slouching/leaning forward of Charlie as he was hit the angle of the spine relative to the bullet would have been much closer to 45 degrees.
The leaked reports show that the bullet initially grazed the C2 and C3 vertebrae and then shattered the C4, C5 and C6 vertebrae and grazed the C7 and C8 vertebrae. So like you said… the bullet did easily pierce spine. But after striking 6 vertebrae in a row it finally shattered and lost too much energy to leave the body.
Again we’re not talking about a ricochet or a straight on hit but a shot that already lost about 26% of its kinetic energy due to air drag over the first 430 feet and stuck at a pretty significant angle losing a large chuck of energy with each successive bone impact.
Had this been point blank or had the bullet hit his spine straight on you be 100% correct in either case. But when you look at everything together the model is viable and consistent with the autopsy findings.
Alright, for arguments sake let's say it's possible.
Where is the video of Tyler shooting Charlie? He was in full view of the security camera and yet the FBI hasn't released the part of the video where he climbed up on the roof, assembled the gun, shot Charlie and disassembled the gun. Only when he was running away. Why?
Well I think the first question to be asked is do we actually know for sure that the exact portion of the roof he was on was under video surveillance? I’ve worked at multiple places before where rooftops have minimal surveillance so blind spots on top of a building wouldn’t actually be super suspicious imho. The grounds and interiors are typically far more valuable for monitoring after all.
But I think there’s other things to take into account too. For example the audio of the shot itself from bystander videos has a sonic crack sound which means the round was traveling faster than 1,125 ft/s. So that right there eliminates a lot of potential guns from use.
Obviously we could argue that the guy on the roof volunteered to be the fall guy and just randomly shot high while some covert more silent weapon was deployed nearby. But then we’d have to come up with a theory to explain why a bullet matching the rifle on the roof was found fragmented inside Charlie’s body and the real bullet wasn’t. I guess we could argue that Charlie’s security was giving hand signs to coordinate the attack and hide the evidence, the doctor was in on it and did surgery not to save his life but to swap the bullet out and the FBI was in on it to hide contrary evidence and ensure Tyler got the blame or something… but that raises lots of other questions…
In my mind the simplest answers are often the correct answers and if it’s at least possible that the shot came from Tyler and the math works out showing the bullet starting out with 1,748 Joules of energy, dropping to 1,296 J prior to impact, 964 J after the first bone and then to 723 J, 542 J, 406 J, 304 J, and finally breaking apart at 228 J without enough kinetic energy to further penetrate bone… and if the Tyler has motivation, a confession, a weapon matching the bullet, dna evidence from the roof, was seen coming and going on camera, the audio matches the type of weapon used and even the rough distance, the angle of entry of the wound is correct, etc… I don’t see the need to assume it’s not accurate I guess.
Personally I’m far more interested in how the other trans people online seemed to know what was coming and if the roommate knew before hand or how things were leaked. Personally I’d assume that if this was an intelligence backed hit there wouldn’t have been so many loose lips prior to the event. And I’d assume that such a group would have arranged for him to die after so he couldn’t out them. At the very least they could have given him a weapon that wouldn’t have immediately made his grandfather start asking where his gun was and let him run free long enough to get caught. Tyler being alive is probably the single biggest reason to believe he’s not working with people who… don’t like loose ends shall we say.
So a 50 cal in the lower torso blows it up entirely and obviously rips through the spine. A 30-06 into a human neck does nothing except punch a hole in it. I know a 30-06 is less powerful than a 50 cal but watching ballistic videos on Youtube strongly suggests that a 30-06 is anything but a weak round. So it getting deflected by the spine is not exactly believable.
A 30-06 getting deflected by a flimsy spine. Like I said. Physically impossible.
I think the problem is that you’re not taking the angles into account. Due to the combined effect of the shooter’s elevation and the slouching/leaning forward of Charlie as he was hit the angle of the spine relative to the bullet would have been much closer to 45 degrees.
The leaked reports show that the bullet initially grazed the C2 and C3 vertebrae and then shattered the C4, C5 and C6 vertebrae and grazed the C7 and C8 vertebrae. So like you said… the bullet did easily pierce spine. But after striking 6 vertebrae in a row it finally shattered and lost too much energy to leave the body.
Again we’re not talking about a ricochet or a straight on hit but a shot that already lost about 26% of its kinetic energy due to air drag over the first 430 feet and stuck at a pretty significant angle losing a large chuck of energy with each successive bone impact.
Had this been point blank or had the bullet hit his spine straight on you be 100% correct in either case. But when you look at everything together the model is viable and consistent with the autopsy findings.
Alright, for arguments sake let's say it's possible.
Where is the video of Tyler shooting Charlie? He was in full view of the security camera and yet the FBI hasn't released the part of the video where he climbed up on the roof, assembled the gun, shot Charlie and disassembled the gun. Only when he was running away. Why?
Well I think the first question to be asked is do we actually know for sure that the exact portion of the roof he was on was under video surveillance? I’ve worked at multiple places before where rooftops have minimal surveillance so blind spots on top of a building wouldn’t actually be super suspicious imho. The grounds and interiors are typically far more valuable for monitoring after all.
But I think there’s other things to take into account too. For example the audio of the shot itself from bystander videos has a sonic crack sound which means the round was traveling faster than 1,125 ft/s. So that right there eliminates a lot of potential guns from use.
Obviously we could argue that the guy on the roof volunteered to be the fall guy and just randomly shot high while some covert more silent weapon was deployed nearby. But then we’d have to come up with a theory to explain why a bullet matching the rifle on the roof was found fragmented inside Charlie’s body and the real bullet wasn’t. I guess we could argue that Charlie’s security was giving hand signs to coordinate the attack and hide the evidence, the doctor was in on it and did surgery not to save his life but to swap the bullet out and the FBI was in on it to hide contrary evidence and ensure Tyler got the blame or something… but that raises lots of other questions…
In my mind the simplest answers are often the correct answers and if it’s at least possible that the shot came from Tyler and the math works out showing the bullet starting out with 1,748 Joules of energy, dropping to 1,296 J prior to impact, 964 J after the first bone and then to 723 J, 542 J, 406 J, 304 J, and finally breaking apart at 228 J without enough kinetic energy to further penetrate bone… and if the Tyler has motivation, a confession, a weapon matching the bullet, dna evidence from the roof, was seen coming and going on camera, the audio matches the type of weapon used and even the rough distance, the angle of entry of the wound is correct, etc… I don’t see the need to assume it’s not accurate I guess.
Personally I’m far more interested in how the other trans people online seemed to know what was coming and if the roommate knew before hand or how things were leaked. Personally I’d assume that if this was an intelligence backed hit there wouldn’t have been so many loose lips prior to the event. And I’d assume that such a group would have arranged for him to die after so he couldn’t out them. At the very least they could have given him a weapon that wouldn’t have immediately made his grandfather start asking where his gun was and let him run free long enough to get caught. Tyler being alive is probably the single biggest reason to believe he’s not working with people who… don’t like loose ends shall we say.
Yes, because that's where the video of him running is from. No there is no blindspot.
Same reason they didn't release info on the (alleged) Butler shooter.
That 50cal hit his spine and it remained intact? I have hard time believing that.
So a 50 cal in the lower torso blows it up entirely and obviously rips through the spine. A 30-06 into a human neck does nothing except punch a hole in it. I know a 30-06 is less powerful than a 50 cal but watching ballistic videos on Youtube strongly suggests that a 30-06 is anything but a weak round. So it getting deflected by the spine is not exactly believable.