Alleged 2019 SEAL Team 6 North Korea Operation Included a Stealth Helicopter - Reports
A new report from the New York Times claims that in 2019, Navy SEAL Team 6 carried out a covert operation inside North Korea to plant a spying device. The mission allegedly failed, leading to the deaths of civilian fishermen, and reportedly involved the us...
That's all you need right there.
The executive arm of the most technologically advanced military on the planet was kept "blind" in its intelligence. "By whom?" would be the obvious answer but the NYT gloss over that in their Andy McNabb fanfiction choosing to ignore how a streamed account of bin Laden's killing from inside central, and nuclear armed functioning, Pakistan wasn't possible from a beach with fishermen as its largest line of defence from a country with a flailing start on its nuclear arms journey.
'Anonymous' sources it may be, but what is to be gained from this 'leak'?
Particularly since it can't be verified.
All the NYT has done here is further erode any trust the public had in them and potentially incite violence against the US based on water puppetry (Fitting for the Vietnam talks mentioned).
I'd rather know what Brittany Spears had for breakfast based on rumour than something this particular with no way of proving it or no way of understanding what it was 'leaked'.
Sounds, to me at least, that the apparent blindness was caused by entities like the New York Times.
Little comfort for their families.
considering they're north koreans, they might feel they're better off
What a horrible thing to say to justify the murder of innocents. People of all nations love their family members.
if the story even happened.
and have you ever heard accounts of what it's like in north korea? calling them slaves is too nice of a word for it.
Being slaves doesn't mean they'd rather have their loved ones gunned down by foreign raiders. That's nonsense.
I'm going to break from most people here on this.
The article didn't point out any real problems with the credibility of the story. They question the existence of stealth Blackhawks but their existence was strongly supported with the Bin Laden raid unless you think the government was just lying and they had to torch a regular Blackhawk in Bin Laden's compound.
I don't know why they brought up Operation Red Wings. The goat herder story comes from Marcus Luttrell, the actual lone survivor, not the movie. Now it turns out Marcus was enlisted by Navy propaganda and the goat herder thing might not have happened, so that's neither here nor there.
The NYT published the article, but the reporters are Matthew Cole and David Phillipps, who are both solid reporters on SOF (although adversarial). Quick scan of SOF commentators shows a lot of them consider the report accurate.
The denial of US drone coverage makes sense since North Korea, being possibly the most paranoid country in the world, has an ridiculously tight defense. Detection of hostile drones would tip them off and the SEALs would quickly be fighting the North Korean military.
As to what thoughts this provokes, that's a long answer. But I would caution people who think that these operations are usually for their benefit. Ultra secret commandos don't really work for you. They work for the government. Meaning the CIA, deep state, etc. With Trump things are definitely better, but the Israel question always looms.
Also, there is a growing body of evidence to suggest that the abuse of SOF by Obama and the massive number of people they killed isn't great for the human psyche. Some of these operators then allegedly went to work for Mexican cartels. So again, don't assume they always work for you.
Cartels join the military to learn those skills, and then go home to train their kind. That's not a likely consequence of special operations, it's a likely consequence of not gatekeeping hispanics from the service.
And stealth helicopters do not exist. The mechanism that makes some planes stealthy doesn't work on helicopters. You can't put radar dampening paint on rotor blades.
They're always lying, it's just a question of "about what". As for torching a Blackhawk, like as not they didn't have time to remove some piece of crypto and they just had to thermite grenade it to make sure it wasn't seized later. That's the thing that should have been done during the Afghanistan retreat from the Embassy, but was not.
Yes, this happens. But there are credible reports of Force Recon, Ranger, SEAL veterans going south of the border to teach cartels SOF operations directly, and it's confirmed now a Delta veteran did enforcement and hits for cartels in the US according to his own writings. Dude was white from the middle US.
It's also 100% confirmed that the founding members of the CJNG cartel (the one with the most capable paramilitary) were Mexican special forces trained by US special forces in an attempt to fight cartels.
There are a lot of measures of stealth besides radar cross sections, and who knows what DARPA cooks up.
All possible, but as far as the article's credibility it's neither here nor there.
It's the "veterans" part that is the question here if you ask me. Officially discharged does not mean no longer active. What I think happened is that Obama had the cartels trained on purpose by people still on the unofficial payrolls, and he did the same for communist groups across SA.
Obama did worse shit than that, that most people don't know about either. He was the unabashed enemy of the American people, the biggest disaster to ever happen to us, and to date most people still proverbially slob his knob because the television told them he was cool.
Yeah that's in keeping with what I said.
It's a consequence of not being racist enough.
In a very personal sense, I have a pretty good idea. Signals is my profession. Stealth helicopters do not exist.
What used to exist was a series of humint/sigint/space OSR allowing us to find gaps in their radar coverage, and a willingness to violate their airspace without asking first.
Right now our humint is garbage tier, because we've been relying too heavily on our space OSR systems and because the entire planet no longer trusts anyone speaking English.
The Pakis at the time were just using old Soviet surplus radar from the eighties(or older), and let's be honest their race is not known for their watchfulness and diligence. It didn't take secret tech to pull off that op, we just got one over on them.
Marcus Luttrelli is a lying shit
In addition to the one you addressed.
Also I would add about the helicopter. There is a huge difference in having a helicopter that can evade radar in an area with the world's most notoriously labyrinthine mountain valleys, from the exact opposite direction that nation expects an aerial attack, and having a helicopter that can evade radar over water, with zero cover, into a coastline where they would an expect attack from, in the vicinity of the North Korean equivalent of Camp David. (Admittedly, the also had to cross the Indus Valley, which would have had short exposure, but it would have just looked like a domestic flight at that point, and again, in the opposite direction they would expect an attack from)
The former is massively easier than the latter.
Helicopters have an external rotating part, that means that rotating part has to have a low radar cross section from every direction in the horizontal plane. In a deep mountain valley without any radars in that specific valley, that isn't as much of an issue.(It still is from above to some extent, but not as much of one, and Pakistan was unlikely to have a patrol with a decent radar on their northwest border) On a coastline, that makes it extremely hard, there is a reason all our stealth planes hide the fan blades entirely behind an S-Duct intake. So no, I don't believe we have a stealth helicopter that is likely to remain undetected on a well defended coast.
In addition, as one of the comments on the article pointed out, (I actually got it mixed up in my mind with the article itself
Which the article does point out was a risk