Yes, he's hostile because he finds the idea of Olive Trees not producing fruit for 70 years comically insane, because he misunderstood the original point.
Thanks for the support!
Indeed, the notion that it takes 70 years to come into production is idiotic to say the least. Fig trees are, afaik, the longest "wait time" at 10 years. Everything else is less.
Someone trying to disprove my position linked an article about 1000+ year old olive trees, that's fine. The article also said olive trees produce the best at ages 5 - 100. My point was proven 😀 by them.
Add to that Israel being there for 3000 years or so & he's even more wrong.
Israel hasn't existed there for 3000 years, so that doesn't really matter.
I don't really care who 'owns' the trees, it's a war and shit's being taken and destroyed, it's how these things work. Property rights won't be respected by either side.
However, the claim that the productivity of Fig Tree Orchards seem to take 70 years to optimize, which sucks, but such is war.
Jews have lived continuously in that region for 3000+ years. Various military occupations, kingdoms & so forth have ruled them, but they remain. The regional name gets changed now and then, but that's just words on paper.
Yes, war is hell. The more hell it is? The faster it gets ended.
Figs take 4-5 years to start producing, I thought it was 10 but whatever. They produce until 30-50 years old, typically, but can live until 200+
There's an old Arab story about it, actually that story is common across the region, so there's a Jewish version too :> 'The Old Man And The Fig Tree'.
I don't care how long someone lived in a place, if you can't keep it, you lose it. I'm not saying it's fair, but it simply is. "historical claims" may be an animus for action or a causus belli for conflict, but it has no legitimate weight.
The more hell it is? The faster it gets ended.
This is why ceasefires are bad ideas.
Also, no one's pointed this out, but figs are delicious.
Yes, he's hostile because he finds the idea of Olive Trees not producing fruit for 70 years comically insane, because he misunderstood the original point.
Thanks for the support!
Indeed, the notion that it takes 70 years to come into production is idiotic to say the least. Fig trees are, afaik, the longest "wait time" at 10 years. Everything else is less.
Someone trying to disprove my position linked an article about 1000+ year old olive trees, that's fine. The article also said olive trees produce the best at ages 5 - 100. My point was proven 😀 by them.
Add to that Israel being there for 3000 years or so & he's even more wrong.
Israel hasn't existed there for 3000 years, so that doesn't really matter.
I don't really care who 'owns' the trees, it's a war and shit's being taken and destroyed, it's how these things work. Property rights won't be respected by either side.
However, the claim that the productivity of Fig Tree Orchards seem to take 70 years to optimize, which sucks, but such is war.
Jews have lived continuously in that region for 3000+ years. Various military occupations, kingdoms & so forth have ruled them, but they remain. The regional name gets changed now and then, but that's just words on paper.
Yes, war is hell. The more hell it is? The faster it gets ended.
Figs take 4-5 years to start producing, I thought it was 10 but whatever. They produce until 30-50 years old, typically, but can live until 200+
There's an old Arab story about it, actually that story is common across the region, so there's a Jewish version too :> 'The Old Man And The Fig Tree'.
I don't care how long someone lived in a place, if you can't keep it, you lose it. I'm not saying it's fair, but it simply is. "historical claims" may be an animus for action or a causus belli for conflict, but it has no legitimate weight.
This is why ceasefires are bad ideas.
Also, no one's pointed this out, but figs are delicious.