It is genuine lunacy that you think no person on Earth has any right ever to own a single dog breed.
Yet, ownership of cobras, wolves, tigers, alligators, tigers, bears, and mules exist. All of them can kill you, some of them faster than any pitbull that has ever lived.
Yes, it is, in fact, about training. Yes, governments are well within their rights to say "no ownership of this animal in our city limits", or "no ownership of this animal without abiding by training, licensing, and shelter standards". All of that exists. Yet, for some reason, you can't even imagine how it would ever be possible to allow any pitbull to exist. No regulations are possible. No licenses are possible. No restrictions are possible. All most be sterilized and/or killed because owning a pitbull is far more dangerous than owning any other animal on the face of the earth.
Yet, ownership of cobras, wolves, tigers, alligators, tigers, bears, and mules exist
Excepting mules, which are beasts of labor, almost all of these are both extremely frowned upon to own as a pet and are in fact illegal in many places to do so.
And even ignoring that, the majority of them are not "take for a walk" pets. They are kept away from most potential dangers excepting to the owner themselves. Even if they escape, most of them will simply run and act like a scared animal instead of a deliberately aggressive threat, because they lack the domestication of a dog that makes them more comfortable around humans. Not always, but a comfortable amount of the time.
I've been around escaped gator pets. The only damage that usually happens is to the gator and the property.
Yup. Most of that is true. Now, is it possible to apply those regulations to Pitbull's, or is there literally no other option besides mass sterilization?
Because that's my problem. People are acting like there is no justifiable reason to allow anyone, even zoos, to own or maintain Pitbulls because they must be killed, because they are literally uncontrollable murder machines.
That position, one that Matt Walsh advocates, is so fucking retarded it can't be allowed to be stated in public without being challenged. Yes, it is an aggressive animal. Yes, you have to be a responsible dog owner. Yes, if you would like to introduce additional requirements for ownership that's fine. But outright banning and then killing off the entire breed is fucking stupid and always will be. I will remind you that we have laws on the books where people who own exotic animals can be personally held liable for any and all damages an escaped animal may cause, regardless of whether it was an accidental escape or not.
Now, is it possible to apply those regulations to Pitbull's, or is there literally no other option besides mass sterilization?
Not really, because most of those regulations apply because they cover the entire animal, rather than a specific breed of it. If we started applying them then we would quickly become "one drop rule" crusaders looking for the exact moment Pitbull genes qualify in the legion of mutts running around. Whereas a cobra is a fucking cobra almost 100% of the time. And if a particularly dangerous specimen showed up, we wouldn't even discuss just ending it.
People are acting like there is no justifiable reason to allow anyone, even zoos, to own or maintain Pitbulls
Dogs have their purposes, of which pitbulls fail nearly every one due to their dangerous nature. They aren't natural animals who play an environmental role, so they don't get the same protections that almost everything you listed do in terms of "we need them regardless of danger" like bears or wolves.
The only thing they are good at is violence, and that benefit isn't strong enough to outweigh the risk their existence brings. This isn't a police dog breed that can be trained to be an efficient machine with strength and authority, its an unstable, emotional breed. Which is why people go after it instead of things like rottweilers and the like who have similar dangers.
But outright banning and then killing off the entire breed is fucking stupid and always will be
We literally played God and created them. The least we can do is fix our mistakes. Again, these are not naturally occurring animals. We are going down the road of the new Jurassic Park movies where we have to let the violent monsters live because "well they are alive so!!" now.
I will remind you that we have laws on the books where people who own exotic animals can be personally held liable for any and all damages an escaped animal may cause
And if this was mostly a problem of them getting out and fucking up people's property that might be an issue. Something money can fix.
People get particular about pitbulls because they keep killing children. Something a guy going "my bad bro, here's 10k for my messup" is more of a slap in the face instead of a makegood.
If an educational zoo wished to showcase a Pit in a secure environment comparable to the environments for bears, greater cats, or wolves, then there obviously is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to with accreditation.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't spay or neuter feral or pet Pits.
Nobody said that. What someone said is that the entire concept of ownership of the animal should be criminalized in all cases, and the entire breed should be sterilized.
Congratulations, ownership with accreditation is allowed in all 50 states and doesn't require mass sterilization or euthanasia, and would still alleviate your concern.
cobras, wolves, tigers, alligators, bears are extremely niche pets and most of the time.. they are usually they are never around children.. while people treat pitbulls as a normal dog and have them around children. or the kinda owners that own them have them not contained on their property.
alright, sure. fine. you can own a pitbull, but you should be LIABLE for any damage it does. thats for sure. same as if your pet tiger or pet bear does something, you should be liable.
not saying exterminate pitbulls, but should let the breed die out. let the current ones live out their life. we can live without pitbulls while we have other dogs that probably wont kill you like a poodle or a labrador.
Being liable for what your pet does is the law in all 50 states.
The exotic animal rule would add on that it could be felonious, even if it was a genuine accident that the animal got out. And all of that is perfectly achievable.
The problem isn't just your insecurity around the animal, but the need for a government sterilization program on a dog breed, that someone declared to be too dangerous to exist. Yes, that will absolutely be expanded out to German Shepards, Belgian Malinois (both are "known weapons of war'), Mastiffs, Akitas, Dobermans, Rottweilers, and many, many more.
Eventually, morons will make additional stupid arguments with bastardized statistics because there will people demanding the mass euthanasia of Huskies (lots of attacks on children), and Golden Retrievers (large number of absolute attacks, what is per capita?).
It is genuine lunacy that you think no person on Earth has any right ever to own a single dog breed.
Yet, ownership of cobras, wolves, tigers, alligators, tigers, bears, and mules exist. All of them can kill you, some of them faster than any pitbull that has ever lived.
Yes, it is, in fact, about training. Yes, governments are well within their rights to say "no ownership of this animal in our city limits", or "no ownership of this animal without abiding by training, licensing, and shelter standards". All of that exists. Yet, for some reason, you can't even imagine how it would ever be possible to allow any pitbull to exist. No regulations are possible. No licenses are possible. No restrictions are possible. All most be sterilized and/or killed because owning a pitbull is far more dangerous than owning any other animal on the face of the earth.
Excepting mules, which are beasts of labor, almost all of these are both extremely frowned upon to own as a pet and are in fact illegal in many places to do so.
And even ignoring that, the majority of them are not "take for a walk" pets. They are kept away from most potential dangers excepting to the owner themselves. Even if they escape, most of them will simply run and act like a scared animal instead of a deliberately aggressive threat, because they lack the domestication of a dog that makes them more comfortable around humans. Not always, but a comfortable amount of the time.
I've been around escaped gator pets. The only damage that usually happens is to the gator and the property.
Yup. Most of that is true. Now, is it possible to apply those regulations to Pitbull's, or is there literally no other option besides mass sterilization?
Because that's my problem. People are acting like there is no justifiable reason to allow anyone, even zoos, to own or maintain Pitbulls because they must be killed, because they are literally uncontrollable murder machines.
That position, one that Matt Walsh advocates, is so fucking retarded it can't be allowed to be stated in public without being challenged. Yes, it is an aggressive animal. Yes, you have to be a responsible dog owner. Yes, if you would like to introduce additional requirements for ownership that's fine. But outright banning and then killing off the entire breed is fucking stupid and always will be. I will remind you that we have laws on the books where people who own exotic animals can be personally held liable for any and all damages an escaped animal may cause, regardless of whether it was an accidental escape or not.
Not really, because most of those regulations apply because they cover the entire animal, rather than a specific breed of it. If we started applying them then we would quickly become "one drop rule" crusaders looking for the exact moment Pitbull genes qualify in the legion of mutts running around. Whereas a cobra is a fucking cobra almost 100% of the time. And if a particularly dangerous specimen showed up, we wouldn't even discuss just ending it.
Dogs have their purposes, of which pitbulls fail nearly every one due to their dangerous nature. They aren't natural animals who play an environmental role, so they don't get the same protections that almost everything you listed do in terms of "we need them regardless of danger" like bears or wolves.
The only thing they are good at is violence, and that benefit isn't strong enough to outweigh the risk their existence brings. This isn't a police dog breed that can be trained to be an efficient machine with strength and authority, its an unstable, emotional breed. Which is why people go after it instead of things like rottweilers and the like who have similar dangers.
We literally played God and created them. The least we can do is fix our mistakes. Again, these are not naturally occurring animals. We are going down the road of the new Jurassic Park movies where we have to let the violent monsters live because "well they are alive so!!" now.
And if this was mostly a problem of them getting out and fucking up people's property that might be an issue. Something money can fix.
People get particular about pitbulls because they keep killing children. Something a guy going "my bad bro, here's 10k for my messup" is more of a slap in the face instead of a makegood.
If an educational zoo wished to showcase a Pit in a secure environment comparable to the environments for bears, greater cats, or wolves, then there obviously is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to with accreditation.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't spay or neuter feral or pet Pits.
Nobody said that. What someone said is that the entire concept of ownership of the animal should be criminalized in all cases, and the entire breed should be sterilized.
Congratulations, ownership with accreditation is allowed in all 50 states and doesn't require mass sterilization or euthanasia, and would still alleviate your concern.
cobras, wolves, tigers, alligators, bears are extremely niche pets and most of the time.. they are usually they are never around children.. while people treat pitbulls as a normal dog and have them around children. or the kinda owners that own them have them not contained on their property.
alright, sure. fine. you can own a pitbull, but you should be LIABLE for any damage it does. thats for sure. same as if your pet tiger or pet bear does something, you should be liable.
not saying exterminate pitbulls, but should let the breed die out. let the current ones live out their life. we can live without pitbulls while we have other dogs that probably wont kill you like a poodle or a labrador.
Being liable for what your pet does is the law in all 50 states.
The exotic animal rule would add on that it could be felonious, even if it was a genuine accident that the animal got out. And all of that is perfectly achievable.
The problem isn't just your insecurity around the animal, but the need for a government sterilization program on a dog breed, that someone declared to be too dangerous to exist. Yes, that will absolutely be expanded out to German Shepards, Belgian Malinois (both are "known weapons of war'), Mastiffs, Akitas, Dobermans, Rottweilers, and many, many more.
Eventually, morons will make additional stupid arguments with bastardized statistics because there will people demanding the mass euthanasia of Huskies (lots of attacks on children), and Golden Retrievers (large number of absolute attacks, what is per capita?).
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You exist to lower the IQ of the white population generally, yet we're not allowed to sterilize your retarded parents.
anyone here agrees to limit jeets and illegals from being in or existing in the USA.. but has a problem with limiting pitbulls lol. strange.