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posted 300 days ago by canada_is_communist 300 days ago by canada_is_communist +111 / -0
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– current_horror 1 point 298 days ago +1 / -0

It’s not the same logic at all. Because there is no shortfall in the wages. Because of tipping. That’s my entire point. The customers are paying the true cost, the servers are receiving an acceptable total wage, and the world keeps turning.

If anything, a fixed wage with no tipping would probably enable employers to lowball in pursuit of cheap immigrant labor. Instead, we have a system where employers can’t lowball - most server wages are literally already minimum - and the true wage is a more direct negotiation between service workers and customers. Sure enough, most of the servers in my area are white. The “less tipped” positions, the ones with fixed low wages, are occupied by non-white immigrants.

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– Adamrises 1 point 298 days ago +1 / -0

Its the exact same logic:

If we don't pay them well below a real wage, then you the customer will have to offset the difference for us through massive price increases

That's the entire business argument for illegal immigration simplified into one sentence. Including a "everybody wins really" justification of "business gets richer, customer gets 'better' prices, Jose/waiter is happy for the money."

I'm not anti-tipping as a concept, as I personally never had a situation where either it didn't motivate better service or I just walked out paying nothing for garbage service, as it should be. But "well if we don't the business will punish us for taking their pittance wages away" is the exact mindset we are fighting against.

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