1967? Seriously? You really think this is a good idea? You think ANYONE would agree to it today? Hamas (PLO) never would, that's for sure. They've had so many opportunities handed to them for a two state solution & utterly rejected them all.
Or were you joking? 😆
1967? Seriously? You really think this is a good idea?
Never said whether it was a good idea or not. Just pointed out that the borders are anything but undefined. You might say that Israel should give up the land that it conquered in 1948 as well, but no one is demanding it because it's so completely unrealistic.
Hamas (PLO) never would
Hamas is not PLO.
They've had so many opportunities handed to them for a two state solution & utterly rejected them all.
Hamas was? Nonsense, of course. And the rest of it is, of course, Israeli propaganda. Only in your Ukrainian fantasy land is one side solely to blame for all the problems there.
Except no one is quoting 242, or even mentioning it.
Hamas was part of the PLO, along with a dozen or more other groups. When Arafat finally died, the power structure was re-arranged & Hamas and others reclaimed their own names but still maintained the "PLO format". Hamas is not one group, it is a large group with several smaller "umbrella organizations" that more-or-less do their bidding.
The PLO technically still exists? But has few members and no power.
Actually? "1948 borders" was a leftist chant until 10/7. Yes it is utterly impossible today.
Hamas was GIVEN a state. They refused to accept the existence of Israel and continued their efforts to create "Palestine". What do you think "from the river to the sea" means?
Only in your Ukrainian fantasy land
Says the one who thinks Hamas is a legitimate government & Palestine is just Gaza and West Bank 😂 Seriously! You shouldn't project so much.
When have I once said "Only ONE side is to blame for ALL the problems." For 90% of them? Maybe, but Israel isn't "blameless" and making idiotic accusations doesn't make you look smarter, eh? Quite the opposite.
Meanwhile you give Hamas every benefit and believe everything they say. How is that not a fantasy too? Mr.Projection.
Except no one is quoting 242, or even mentioning it.
It goes without saying. The demand is that Israel leave the occupied territories.
Hamas was part of the PLO
You're a nutjob. Hamas wasn't even founded two decades after the PLO, and you have no receipt at all for Hamas being a member.
Actually? "1948 borders" was a leftist chant until 10/7. Yes it is utterly impossible today.
Receipts please.
Hamas was GIVEN a state.
They weren't. Israel withdrew from Gaza. Gaza was not a state, as it wasn't sovereign. Also, Hamas wasn't in power at the time.
They refused to accept the existence of Israel and continued their efforts to create "Palestine". What do you think "from the river to the sea" means?
It means, for most, one secular, (puke) democratic state for both Jews and the indigenous population.
Says the one who thinks Hamas is a legitimate government
I challenge you to show me where I said that "Hamas is a legitimate government", whatever that's supposed to mean.
Palestine is just Gaza and West Bank
Obviously not. They're compromising by giving up 80% of their historic homeland. Gaza and the West Bank make up 22%, but Israel will annex parts of the West Bank, so they're left with about 20%.
When have I once said "Only ONE side is to blame for ALL the problems." For 90% of them? Maybe, but Israel isn't "blameless" and making idiotic accusations
I guess you deserve compliments for admitting the obvious, that Israel is not blameless. But there were no idiotic accusations on my part. You just don't know your history, or any history for that matter. Rather typical of your supposed people. The only organization in which you functioned well was the Waffen SS!
you give Hamas every benefit
I don't. People who abduct babies and Holocaust survivors deserve extermination. Simultaneously, the truth is bad enough, you don't need to lie.
That's bullshit. That's not how international diplomacy works. One doesn't "assume" anything, it is spelled out or it doesn't count. It would only take a sentence, yet 26 pages & not once is it presented.
The demand is that Israel leave the occupied territories.
For Hamas that's the pre-WW2 borders of "Palestine". Gaza was not occupied, it was 100% ruled by Hamas. Israel had nothing to do with it except that Gaza was launching terror attacks non-stop. So, a lie.
Also, Hamas wasn't in power at the time.
That's because there hadn't been an election at the time it was handed over. DUH! The election came AFTER that. And Hamas won, Fatah fled to the West Bank and declared themselves the election winner & took power there. DUH!
Holocaust survivors deserve extermination.
Seriously? Hamas does that, you admit it, and "deserves extermination" yet you fight to defend them at every turn? Fuck off already, all you have is "your a Nazi"? Really? I'm a Nazi who supports Israel? Are you stoned out of your tree?
1967? Seriously? You really think this is a good idea? You think ANYONE would agree to it today? Hamas (PLO) never would, that's for sure. They've had so many opportunities handed to them for a two state solution & utterly rejected them all.
Or were you joking? 😆
Never said whether it was a good idea or not. Just pointed out that the borders are anything but undefined. You might say that Israel should give up the land that it conquered in 1948 as well, but no one is demanding it because it's so completely unrealistic.
Hamas is not PLO.
Hamas was? Nonsense, of course. And the rest of it is, of course, Israeli propaganda. Only in your Ukrainian fantasy land is one side solely to blame for all the problems there.
Except no one is quoting 242, or even mentioning it.
Hamas was part of the PLO, along with a dozen or more other groups. When Arafat finally died, the power structure was re-arranged & Hamas and others reclaimed their own names but still maintained the "PLO format". Hamas is not one group, it is a large group with several smaller "umbrella organizations" that more-or-less do their bidding.
The PLO technically still exists? But has few members and no power.
Actually? "1948 borders" was a leftist chant until 10/7. Yes it is utterly impossible today.
Hamas was GIVEN a state. They refused to accept the existence of Israel and continued their efforts to create "Palestine". What do you think "from the river to the sea" means?
Says the one who thinks Hamas is a legitimate government & Palestine is just Gaza and West Bank 😂 Seriously! You shouldn't project so much.
When have I once said "Only ONE side is to blame for ALL the problems." For 90% of them? Maybe, but Israel isn't "blameless" and making idiotic accusations doesn't make you look smarter, eh? Quite the opposite.
Meanwhile you give Hamas every benefit and believe everything they say. How is that not a fantasy too? Mr.Projection.
It goes without saying. The demand is that Israel leave the occupied territories.
You're a nutjob. Hamas wasn't even founded two decades after the PLO, and you have no receipt at all for Hamas being a member.
Receipts please.
They weren't. Israel withdrew from Gaza. Gaza was not a state, as it wasn't sovereign. Also, Hamas wasn't in power at the time.
It means, for most, one secular, (puke) democratic state for both Jews and the indigenous population.
I challenge you to show me where I said that "Hamas is a legitimate government", whatever that's supposed to mean.
Obviously not. They're compromising by giving up 80% of their historic homeland. Gaza and the West Bank make up 22%, but Israel will annex parts of the West Bank, so they're left with about 20%.
I guess you deserve compliments for admitting the obvious, that Israel is not blameless. But there were no idiotic accusations on my part. You just don't know your history, or any history for that matter. Rather typical of your supposed people. The only organization in which you functioned well was the Waffen SS!
I don't. People who abduct babies and Holocaust survivors deserve extermination. Simultaneously, the truth is bad enough, you don't need to lie.
That's bullshit. That's not how international diplomacy works. One doesn't "assume" anything, it is spelled out or it doesn't count. It would only take a sentence, yet 26 pages & not once is it presented.
For Hamas that's the pre-WW2 borders of "Palestine". Gaza was not occupied, it was 100% ruled by Hamas. Israel had nothing to do with it except that Gaza was launching terror attacks non-stop. So, a lie.
That's because there hadn't been an election at the time it was handed over. DUH! The election came AFTER that. And Hamas won, Fatah fled to the West Bank and declared themselves the election winner & took power there. DUH!
Seriously? Hamas does that, you admit it, and "deserves extermination" yet you fight to defend them at every turn? Fuck off already, all you have is "your a Nazi"? Really? I'm a Nazi who supports Israel? Are you stoned out of your tree?