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"Conservative" media opinion section in Canada (media.scored.co)
posted 316 days ago by FellowCanuckIstan 316 days ago by FellowCanuckIstan +66 / -0
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– 5Cats 1 point 312 days ago +1 / -0

It goes without saying.

That's bullshit. That's not how international diplomacy works. One doesn't "assume" anything, it is spelled out or it doesn't count. It would only take a sentence, yet 26 pages & not once is it presented.

The demand is that Israel leave the occupied territories.

For Hamas that's the pre-WW2 borders of "Palestine". Gaza was not occupied, it was 100% ruled by Hamas. Israel had nothing to do with it except that Gaza was launching terror attacks non-stop. So, a lie.

Also, Hamas wasn't in power at the time.

That's because there hadn't been an election at the time it was handed over. DUH! The election came AFTER that. And Hamas won, Fatah fled to the West Bank and declared themselves the election winner & took power there. DUH!

Holocaust survivors deserve extermination.

Seriously? Hamas does that, you admit it, and "deserves extermination" yet you fight to defend them at every turn? Fuck off already, all you have is "your a Nazi"? Really? I'm a Nazi who supports Israel? Are you stoned out of your tree?

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 312 days ago +1 / -0

That's bullshit. That's not how international diplomacy works. One doesn't "assume" anything, it is spelled out or it doesn't count. It would only take a sentence, yet 26 pages & not once is it presented.

I know you imagine this is a great point and all, but it's not. Aside from the international law that was quoted, there is general agreement about what a Palestinian state would look like.

Gaza was not occupied, it was 100% ruled by Hamas

No, it's not. A sovereign state has control of its borders. Gaza did not. It did not have control of its airspace. It does not control its waters. Its population had to be registered in Israel.

Israel had nothing to do with it except that Gaza was launching terror attacks non-stop

More like, constantly bombing Gaza, which did actual damage as opposed to the pinpricks that Hamas launched in retaliation.

That's because there hadn't been an election at the time it was handed over. DUH!

You said Israel gave "Hamas" a state. DUH! Now you realize how stupid you were, and you're trying to save face by admitting what I told you when you didn't realize it.

And Hamas won, Fatah fled to the West Bank and declared themselves the election winner & took power there. DUH!

Yeah, thank you for your Wikipedia-tier knowledge.

Seriously? I'm a Nazi (says you) but the Jews & others who survived Nazi extermination SHOULD BE KILLED?

Now, in Great Russia they use the proverb "honest as a German". Do they say "dishonest as a kholkhol" as well? Why did you leave out the first part?

"People who abduct babies and Holocaust survivors deserve extermination." vs. "Holocaust survivors deserve extermination."

Who are you trying to fool? Either you're too stupid to realize that this is talking about Hamas, or you're the single most dishonest person I've ever encountered. Which is worse, I leave it up to you.

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– 5Cats 1 point 312 days ago +1 / -0

So 242 is "international law" now? Thus need not even be mentioned at all? Just assumed? Fuck no.

A sovereign state has control of its borders. Gaza did not. It did not have control of its airspace. It does not control its waters. Its population had to be registered in Israel.

Gaza and Hamas had all those things. What happened in it's waters and airspace was entirely up to them. Israel AND Egypt have a perfectly legal blockade in place to try to stop the illegal shipments of terror weapons which would be used to kill Israeli and Egyptian citizens. Hamas is at war with Israel, see all those rockets & bombers they send? Each one is an act of war. A blockade during wartime is normal.

Registered in Israel? The ENTIRE population was? Or just those who sought work IN Israel? Put up or shut up.

the pinpricks that Hamas launched in retaliation.

Says the guy who claims he does NOT give Hamas every possible support. What a fucking idiot.

You said Israel gave "Hamas" a state.

Lets see: they took every Jew out of Gaza. They left all the industry and infrastructure intact. They imposed no rules (other than "don't shoot rockets at us" which even YOU have to admit is pretty reasonable, yes?) or regulations. They let the citizens of Gaza select their own government, make their own laws & constitution as they saw fit.

NOPE! Totally not a state! People in a "state" cannot make their own rules & elect their own governments! Name one "sovereign state" that does that! 🤣
What really happened here is: YOU said Hamas wasn't the government in charge on the day Gaza was turned over and thus the people of Gaza (which includes Hamas members) was NOT "given a state". Fucking projectionist.

Yeah, thank you for your Wikipedia-tier knowledge

Oh? I thought I "knew nothing" and yet you admit I DO know. 😃 I just don't agree with your (and Hamas's) perverted anti-Semitic world view.

I did mis-read that comment and edited my response to it. Sorry about that. My initial interpretation was based on your desire to kill all the Jews, just like your heroes, Hamas.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 312 days ago +1 / -0

So 242 is "international law" now? Thus need not even be mentioned at all? Just assumed? Fuck no.

Yeah, Security Council resolutions are binding. You don't even know that? How marvelous.

What happened in it's waters and airspace was entirely up to them

As true as your claim that there are WMDs in Iraq. Why are you even talking about this, when you don't know the first thing about it? Here's what the ICJ (and you probably don't even know what that is) had to say about it:

In its Wall Advisory Opinion, the Court did not express a view as to the legal status of the Gaza Strip, as the construction of the wall did not affect the Gaza Strip. The Gaza Strip is an integral part of the territory that was occupied by Israel in 1967. Following the 1967 armed conflict, Israel, as the occupying Power, placed the Gaza Strip under its effective control. However, in 2004, Israel announced a “Disengagement Plan”. According to that plan, Israel was to withdraw its military presence from the Gaza Strip and from several areas in the northern part of the West Bank. By 2005, Israel had completed the withdrawal of its army and the removal of the settlements in the Gaza Strip.

The Court notes that, for the purpose of determining whether a territory remains occupied under international law, the decisive criterion is not whether the occupying Power retains its physical military presence in the territory at all times but rather whether its authority has been established and can be exercised.

Based on the information before it, the Court considers that Israel remained capable of exercising, and continued to exercise, certain key elements of authority over the Gaza Strip, including control of the land, sea and air borders, restrictions on movement of people and goods, collection of import and export taxes, and military control over the buffer zone, despite the withdrawal of its military presence in 2005. This is even more so since 7 October 2023.

In light of the above, the Court is of the view that Israel’s withdrawal from the Gaza Strip has not entirely released it of its obligations under the law of occupation. Israel’s obligations have remained commensurate with the degree of its effective control over the Gaza Strip.

Finding a non-retarded Ukrainian challenge: impossible.

Says the guy who claims he does NOT give Hamas every possible support. What a fucking idiot.

It's absolutely correct. The number of Israelis killed is a small fraction, and it has been in every conflict.

What really happened here is: YOU said Hamas wasn't the government in charge on the day Gaza was turned over and thus the people of Gaza

Yes, so it wasn't "turned over to Hamas". Believe me, I had a low opinion of your ilk, but you manage to outdo my expectatons in every single post. (And yet, I still don't think Little Russians should die, just like I hate Islam and yet don't think that Gazans should die.)

Oh? I thought I "knew nothing" and yet you admit I DO know. 😃

Only for as long as it took you to skim and paraphrase some poorly understood paragraphs from Wikipedia.

I did mis-read that comment and edited my response to it. Sorry about that. My initial interpretation was based on your desire to kill all the Jews, just like your heroes, Hamas.

So you choose 'stupid'. Very well. Yet in the same paragraph where you admit that I said that Hamas should be exterminated, you claim that Hamas are my heroes. So I guess it's "stupid and dishonest" both, right? Also, no one buys that you're a defender of Jews. You're literally the ethnic group most implicated in pogroms and death camps.

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– 5Cats 1 point 311 days ago +1 / -0

You really are "that stupid" eh?
My "ilk"? You really do nothing but spout propaganda and projection. A true liberal!

Mennonites are running pogroms and death camps? NEWS TO ME!
I think your Medallion of ESP is a little off-kilter 😹 retard.

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