Iran was an IQ test. You favorite pundits flunked.
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Yes, though probably not if it was a peaceful internal thing, rather than one imposed through invasion, bombing and/or state collapse.
He was the one playing it! Look, I'm not saying he hasn't done good AFTER the strike. Hell, things have gone as well as they could have given preceding events. I'm not saying to disown him. I'm saying that he did great wrong before. Why is it bad that people were warning against the disastrous consequences of this madness? Why are they the ones who are low IQ, and not the people who fell for it again?
I never said the people who were cheering for war were the smart ones. But even discounting the neocons and neolibs, even inside MAGA and dissident right circles this has just been another episode of the right eating itself, coupled with the usual display of one-upmanship with all the usual suspects trying to be the quickest to announce the beginning of WW3, the quickest to throw the Trump out with the Menorah oil, the most outraged and the most upset over the supposedly inevitable ensuing war. This is the kind of infighting that is almost always a psyop, which is why Fuentes and Owens are the culprits I mention most, and almost always a deliberate distraction. And the panic was ultimately unnecessary. That is literally all I've been trying to say.
What one person sees as 'the right eating itself', another person may well see as 'healthy debate'.
Things were not looking good. With Israel vowing to do a regime change, and to make Tehran burn, and Trump saying "VERY GOOD! EVERYONE EVACUATE TEHRAN"... it's a miracle that things happened as they did. I would not be surprised if the opposition from MAGA played a role.
What exactly do you propose? That people should have sat on the sidelines and just trusted the non-existent plan?
Tucker is the guy I trust most. You're not mentioning him, but he is in the avatar for this video.
How do you know that? If you're playing Russian Roulette, even with a chance of 16.667% or however much it is, is it "unnecessary" for someone to panic about you pulling the trigger if just by chance, you survive?
The discourse surrounding mass deportations has been a healthy debate. As with any discussion in right-wing circles that even touches on Israel, this was autistic screeching.
Certainly, because Trump has never used bravado and overblown rhetoric to force people to negotiate with him. That would be totally out of character for him.
Again with the straw man. You keep trying to argue points I never made. It's possible to rely on Trump's proven track record in these situations as evidence of what he's likely to do without being a "trust the plan" dogmatist.
I actually do think that Razor's criticism of Tucker is unfair. As for Trump, it's possible that he really was being gaslit by the warhawks in his administration into ignoring the critics, or it's possible that he was just trying to present a united front from his own administration and base in order to convince the Iranians to negotiate.
As for your Russian Roulette analogy, that's not what this was. This was a beleaguered parent taking one kid's side over another in a fight before he came to his senses and realized he was being played, and that it's his job to make sure they both behave.
As I said, that's the most even-handed any US president has ever been with regard to Israel. It's not perfect, but it is progress.
Right, but if you tune out the retards who are always screeching about Israel, I think people like MTG and Tucker had valuable input. And of course, I'm not one to autistically screech about Israel, at least previously.
If that was the intent, it's really grossly immoral to use 12 million people in a city as pawns to get to that point. And they were negotiating already before they were attacked anyway.
Not intentionally. I just don't really understand what your precise position is. If I understand it correctly, you oppose war, but think that because all's well that ends well, people were wrong to 'panic' as you say. Of course, panicking is a way to prevent things from getting worse.
Trump is highly unpredictable. And he also tends to do what he says he's going to do. So when he started making the bad noises, well... people got worried.
Well... it doesn't look like that to me.
I think even Biden vetoed Israeli strikes on Iran. So while I appreciate his work on a cease fire, his previous actios are plenty open to criticism. And if I understand you correctly, you sort of agree but think that people were too concerned about it.