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Iran was an IQ test. You favorite pundits flunked. (www.youtube.com)
posted 352 days ago by dagthegnome 352 days ago by dagthegnome +12 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 351 days ago +3 / -0

But even discounting the neocons and neolibs, even inside MAGA and dissident right circles this has just been another episode of the right eating itself

What one person sees as 'the right eating itself', another person may well see as 'healthy debate'.

the most outraged and the most upset over the supposedly inevitable ensuing war.

Things were not looking good. With Israel vowing to do a regime change, and to make Tehran burn, and Trump saying "VERY GOOD! EVERYONE EVACUATE TEHRAN"... it's a miracle that things happened as they did. I would not be surprised if the opposition from MAGA played a role.

What exactly do you propose? That people should have sat on the sidelines and just trusted the non-existent plan?

This is the kind of infighting that is almost always a psyop, which is why Fuentes and Owens are the culprits I mention most

Tucker is the guy I trust most. You're not mentioning him, but he is in the avatar for this video.

And the panic was ultimately unnecessary

How do you know that? If you're playing Russian Roulette, even with a chance of 16.667% or however much it is, is it "unnecessary" for someone to panic about you pulling the trigger if just by chance, you survive?

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– dagthegnome [S] 1 point 351 days ago +1 / -0

another person might well see as 'healthy debate'

The discourse surrounding mass deportations has been a healthy debate. As with any discussion in right-wing circles that even touches on Israel, this was autistic screeching.

Trump saying 'VERY GOOD! EVERYONE EVACUATE TEHRAN'

Certainly, because Trump has never used bravado and overblown rhetoric to force people to negotiate with him. That would be totally out of character for him.

just trusted the non-existent plan?

Again with the straw man. You keep trying to argue points I never made. It's possible to rely on Trump's proven track record in these situations as evidence of what he's likely to do without being a "trust the plan" dogmatist.

Tucker is the guy I trust most. You're not mentioning him.

I actually do think that Razor's criticism of Tucker is unfair. As for Trump, it's possible that he really was being gaslit by the warhawks in his administration into ignoring the critics, or it's possible that he was just trying to present a united front from his own administration and base in order to convince the Iranians to negotiate.

As for your Russian Roulette analogy, that's not what this was. This was a beleaguered parent taking one kid's side over another in a fight before he came to his senses and realized he was being played, and that it's his job to make sure they both behave.

As I said, that's the most even-handed any US president has ever been with regard to Israel. It's not perfect, but it is progress.

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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 351 days ago +3 / -0

As with any discussion in right-wing circles that even touches on Israel, this was autistic screeching.

Right, but if you tune out the retards who are always screeching about Israel, I think people like MTG and Tucker had valuable input. And of course, I'm not one to autistically screech about Israel, at least previously.

Certainly, because Trump has never used bravado and overblown rhetoric to force people to negotiate with him. That would be totally out of character for him.

If that was the intent, it's really grossly immoral to use 12 million people in a city as pawns to get to that point. And they were negotiating already before they were attacked anyway.

You keep trying to argue points I never made

Not intentionally. I just don't really understand what your precise position is. If I understand it correctly, you oppose war, but think that because all's well that ends well, people were wrong to 'panic' as you say. Of course, panicking is a way to prevent things from getting worse.

It's possible to rely on Trump's proven track record in these situations as evidence of what he's likely to do

Trump is highly unpredictable. And he also tends to do what he says he's going to do. So when he started making the bad noises, well... people got worried.

This was a beleaguered parent taking one kid's side over another in a fight before he came to his senses and realized he was being played, and that it's his job to make sure they both behave.

Well... it doesn't look like that to me.

As I said, that's the most even-handed any US president has ever been with regard to Israel. It's not perfect, but it is progress.

I think even Biden vetoed Israeli strikes on Iran. So while I appreciate his work on a cease fire, his previous actios are plenty open to criticism. And if I understand you correctly, you sort of agree but think that people were too concerned about it.

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