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Not to say that I trust the IC, but they say that they ended this in 2003. It makes sense. The threat to them wasn't Israel, it was Iraq. Iraq's threat was ended in 2003. It does make sense.
It also makes sense for them to pursue nukes. But the best of both worlds might be the ability to create a bomb (thus creating deterrence) while not actually crossing the finish line.
History might suggest hte opposite of what you claim. Bandwagoning is less effective than balancing. Dying empires are left on life support (see Ottoman Empire).
You said they 'always wanted a nuke'. Does this mean that you think this attack changed their mind into not wanting a deterrence?
You don't need to convince me of why they want a nuke, I'm for nuclear proliferation.
Maybe history will say I'm wrong, but I think my caution during this whole thing has served me better than agreeing to apparent narratives.
I don't know yet if it did, but it should have. Iran is being bullied. There's no way around this. The US is not asking. It should be apparent that, deterrent or not, they're not getting one. The US put a battleship in Tokyo harbor and sent a trade agreement. You don't get to say no. The only logical thing for them to do is take the L. If they really want a nuke, they'll need to buy one. it's just not on the table anymore.
Remember when """"someone"""" dropped poison gas from a barrel bomb onto civilian targets in Syria? Israel struck Syrian air fields and WMD facilities. Trump demanded the chemicalogical weapon programs end. What did Assad do? Abandoned the whole program and handed the weapons off to Russia with independent inspections. It didn't save him in the long run, but it bought him time that he used to actually re-take a lot of land back from the rebels, and he very nearly won the war.
Truth is, it's the only reasonable action to take. Full demilitarization of the nuclear program to take the issue off the table. China and Russia will look like the adults in the room, and you'll get time to recover. It's the only option. Everything else is just stupidity and ego. I don't know if the ayatollah is smart enough to take it.
I think you overestimate what you can monitor, and what you can do. You're telling me that the US will be laser-focused on Iran for the next 30 years to prevent this one thing, and will never be distracted by anything that goes on anywhere in the world? That's just not how things work in my view.
Given that ballistic missiles can be taken out, I'm not sure one nuke is enough as deterrence.
That was under Obama, but your point is well-taken. Perhaps if Assad had kept his chemical weapons and withstood some US pinpricks, he'd still be in power. Not saying it's good.
See, I don't think the nuclear program is "militarized" at the moment to begin with. But it might get that. I can't imagine a country getting pounded by two nuclear powers and not realizing that it needs a nuclear weapon.
They may not be very competent, but I don't doubt how smart they are.
Iran might be the only thing the US concentrated on for 50 consecutive years, except the Soviet Union.
My mistake. I think Trump had a different strike. It's hard to keep track.
I think the issue is that they have enriched Uranium. Regardless of when they got it, they could build a nuke in relatively short time because they have the Uranium as it is. Knocking out the facilities slows that development time, but the admin seems to not want the Uranium. I think they are lying about how satisfied they are. It's clear to me that this was a major failure of Israeli intel, or they just straight up lied to the US, and I'm leaning towards the latter.
"Welp! Now you can't find the Uranium. Here's 50 more places you could bomb that definitely have it."
It wasn't enriched to nearly the extent necessary for a bomb.
How so? Lies about what?
Some very cynical people claimed that they would now use the Hamas playbook of saying that the uranium is hiding under every school and hospital in Iran, but fortunately that didn't happen.